1 00:00:01,634 --> 00:00:04,400 16 September 2020, by the 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:05,867 16 September 2020, by the president of the European 3 00:00:05,867 --> 00:00:08,933 president of the European Commission, Kula on the I’m 4 00:00:08,933 --> 00:00:11,199 Commission, Kula on the I’m here with Wolf, the director of 5 00:00:11,199 --> 00:00:12,867 here with Wolf, the director of brutal and the senior fellows 6 00:00:12,867 --> 00:00:16,699 brutal and the senior fellows Alicia Garcia, Nero and Andrea 7 00:00:16,699 --> 00:00:18,666 Alicia Garcia, Nero and Andrea Hello, to all of you. How are 8 00:00:18,666 --> 00:00:23,134 Hello, to all of you. How are you good? Hello? Hello. Hello. 9 00:00:23,134 --> 00:00:25,934 you good? Hello? Hello. Hello. so I would like to thanks for 10 00:00:25,934 --> 00:00:27,867 so I would like to thanks for joining in this discussion and 11 00:00:27,867 --> 00:00:31,200 joining in this discussion and I would also like to thank. 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A few hours ago 23 00:01:03,700 --> 00:01:06,267 been listening. A few hours ago from the Amy cycle of the 24 00:01:06,267 --> 00:01:08,800 from the Amy cycle of the European Parliament, which 25 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,299 European Parliament, which actually was an enormous Andy 26 00:01:10,299 --> 00:01:12,967 actually was an enormous Andy and socially distant cycle. Do 27 00:01:12,967 --> 00:01:15,167 and socially distant cycle. Do we do to the nineteen 28 00:01:15,167 --> 00:01:17,733 we do to the nineteen prevention measures and this 29 00:01:17,733 --> 00:01:20,666 prevention measures and this was one of the longest state of 30 00:01:20,666 --> 00:01:22,334 was one of the longest state of the union speeches ever 31 00:01:22,334 --> 00:01:24,767 the union speeches ever probably the longest and it 32 00:01:24,767 --> 00:01:26,334 probably the longest and it lasted for about an hour and a 33 00:01:26,334 --> 00:01:29,900 lasted for about an hour and a half so I will try to give a 34 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:31,233 half so I will try to give a few pointers and a few 35 00:01:31,233 --> 00:01:31,967 few pointers and a few highlights of different 36 00:01:31,967 --> 00:01:36,200 highlights of different sections in order to uh. 37 00:02:05,299 --> 00:02:07,867 The G twenty president uh plus 38 00:02:07,867 --> 00:02:10,600 The G twenty president uh plus uh she made quite a lot of uh 39 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,366 uh she made quite a lot of uh um points on the initiatives of 40 00:02:13,366 --> 00:02:15,400 um points on the initiatives of the European Union on the back 41 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,300 the European Union on the back side, then she went on on 42 00:02:18,300 --> 00:02:19,667 side, then she went on on workers and she made an 43 00:02:19,667 --> 00:02:21,600 workers and she made an announcement about the proposal 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,333 announcement about the proposal for European framework for 45 00:02:23,333 --> 00:02:26,233 for European framework for minimum wages and then she 46 00:02:26,233 --> 00:02:27,667 minimum wages and then she announced the new emission 47 00:02:27,667 --> 00:02:30,500 announced the new emission targets. she said that the EU 48 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:33,433 targets. she said that the EU should be reducing emissions of 49 00:02:33,433 --> 00:02:37,133 should be reducing emissions of 55% by 2030. And she also spent 50 00:02:37,133 --> 00:02:39,299 55% by 2030. And she also spent some time discussing green 51 00:02:39,299 --> 00:02:41,467 some time discussing green bonds the the latter uh they 52 00:02:41,467 --> 00:02:43,500 bonds the the latter uh they say that the commission, she 53 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:44,933 say that the commission, she said that the commission we 54 00:02:44,933 --> 00:02:49,267 said that the commission we raise at least 30% thirty. 30% 55 00:02:49,267 --> 00:02:53,100 raise at least 30% thirty. 30% of its 77. 7750000000000 56 00:02:53,100 --> 00:02:55,499 of its 77. 7750000000000 borrowing for the recovery Fund 57 00:02:55,499 --> 00:02:56,767 borrowing for the recovery Fund in the form of green bonds. We 58 00:02:56,767 --> 00:02:58,433 in the form of green bonds. We are probably going to discuss 59 00:02:58,433 --> 00:03:00,867 are probably going to discuss this in a minute later, she 60 00:03:00,867 --> 00:03:03,466 this in a minute later, she went on for a section on a 61 00:03:03,466 --> 00:03:04,866 went on for a section on a stronger monetary reunion, 62 00:03:04,866 --> 00:03:05,400 stronger monetary reunion, mentioning the historical 63 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:06,801 mentioning the historical agreement on the next 64 00:03:06,801 --> 00:03:07,700 agreement on the next generation you and the 65 00:03:07,700 --> 00:03:11,467 generation you and the principal of. 66 00:03:39,733 --> 00:03:43,699 And uh especially on digital uh 67 00:03:43,699 --> 00:03:45,600 And uh especially on digital uh she she has been uh announcing 68 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:46,934 she she has been uh announcing the common plan for digital 69 00:03:46,934 --> 00:03:50,801 the common plan for digital Europe, where they should be 70 00:03:50,801 --> 00:03:53,334 Europe, where they should be defined goals for 2030 such as 71 00:03:53,334 --> 00:03:54,734 defined goals for 2030 such as connectivity, skills and 72 00:03:54,734 --> 00:03:56,133 connectivity, skills and digital public services and 73 00:03:56,133 --> 00:04:00,000 digital public services and this should represent 20% of 74 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,233 this should represent 20% of the next generation you then 75 00:04:04,233 --> 00:04:07,633 the next generation you then she went on a strong section on 76 00:04:07,633 --> 00:04:08,967 she went on a strong section on geopolitics and the role of you 77 00:04:08,967 --> 00:04:10,367 geopolitics and the role of you in the world. Uh there was a 78 00:04:10,367 --> 00:04:13,967 in the world. Uh there was a strong. To China, uh there was 79 00:04:13,967 --> 00:04:16,266 strong. To China, uh there was uh uh a reference to the United 80 00:04:16,266 --> 00:04:18,800 uh uh a reference to the United States. Brexit banners, Russia 81 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,699 States. Brexit banners, Russia and Turkey and uh within that 82 00:04:21,699 --> 00:04:24,266 and Turkey and uh within that frame, she also mentioned 83 00:04:24,266 --> 00:04:25,067 frame, she also mentioned migration announcing the 84 00:04:25,067 --> 00:04:27,467 migration announcing the upcoming impact on migration uh 85 00:04:27,467 --> 00:04:31,000 upcoming impact on migration uh and then she ended the speech 86 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,733 and then she ended the speech with the section on rule of law 87 00:04:33,733 --> 00:04:35,300 with the section on rule of law covering issues from corruption 88 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:36,699 covering issues from corruption to money laundering to 89 00:04:36,699 --> 00:04:39,533 to money laundering to fundamental freedoms. So uh 90 00:04:39,533 --> 00:04:42,900 fundamental freedoms. So uh this seems seems to be the 91 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:46,301 this seems seems to be the catalog of the different thing. 92 00:04:46,301 --> 00:04:48,033 catalog of the different thing. Uh she has been mentioning in 93 00:04:48,033 --> 00:04:50,667 Uh she has been mentioning in the speech I might uh, of 94 00:04:50,667 --> 00:04:53,400 the speech I might uh, of course the missing some days, 95 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,767 course the missing some days, but the idea was to recall all 96 00:04:55,767 --> 00:04:58,401 but the idea was to recall all the plethora of things that 97 00:04:58,401 --> 00:05:00,867 the plethora of things that were mentioned in this uh uh an 98 00:05:00,867 --> 00:05:02,633 were mentioned in this uh uh an hour and a half speech and um 99 00:05:02,633 --> 00:05:03,967 hour and a half speech and um in order to start the 100 00:05:03,967 --> 00:05:05,566 in order to start the discussion I would like to ask 101 00:05:05,566 --> 00:05:08,967 discussion I would like to ask uh to to you go to Andrea in 102 00:05:08,967 --> 00:05:10,867 uh to to you go to Andrea in Alicia. uh what actually is 103 00:05:10,867 --> 00:05:12,933 Alicia. uh what actually is your overall feeling What is 104 00:05:12,933 --> 00:05:16,967 your overall feeling What is your overall and? 105 00:05:48,201 --> 00:05:49,767 Perhaps it has been so long 106 00:05:49,767 --> 00:05:52,000 Perhaps it has been so long because there are so many more 107 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,000 because there are so many more issues than usual, so it is a 108 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,099 issues than usual, so it is a difficult speech and I have to 109 00:05:56,099 --> 00:05:57,834 difficult speech and I have to say um it’s a speech that is 110 00:05:57,834 --> 00:06:01,266 say um it’s a speech that is always very presidential um and 111 00:06:01,266 --> 00:06:02,833 always very presidential um and uh if you ask me uh for my 112 00:06:02,833 --> 00:06:05,234 uh if you ask me uh for my taste, it was a little bit 113 00:06:05,234 --> 00:06:07,833 taste, it was a little bit perhaps two presidential so a 114 00:06:07,833 --> 00:06:10,834 perhaps two presidential so a little bit uh too much about um 115 00:06:10,834 --> 00:06:13,899 little bit uh too much about um big announcements um and a 116 00:06:13,899 --> 00:06:16,967 big announcements um and a little bit uh to uh not not 117 00:06:16,967 --> 00:06:20,866 little bit uh to uh not not concrete enough on. Sort of the 118 00:06:20,866 --> 00:06:23,467 concrete enough on. Sort of the real issues and how to achieve 119 00:06:23,467 --> 00:06:25,667 real issues and how to achieve those issues uh and um you 120 00:06:25,667 --> 00:06:28,234 those issues uh and um you know, I mean just uh just to uh 121 00:06:28,234 --> 00:06:30,933 know, I mean just uh just to uh to give you a sense of um of 122 00:06:30,933 --> 00:06:32,500 to give you a sense of um of what I mean. I mean, I think, 123 00:06:32,500 --> 00:06:34,734 what I mean. I mean, I think, for example the discussion on 124 00:06:34,734 --> 00:06:36,234 for example the discussion on green, I mean I would have 125 00:06:36,234 --> 00:06:37,933 green, I mean I would have wished to have a bit more 126 00:06:37,933 --> 00:06:40,434 wished to have a bit more concrete announcements on uh 127 00:06:40,434 --> 00:06:42,834 concrete announcements on uh you know how to get to the new 128 00:06:42,834 --> 00:06:45,833 you know how to get to the new climate codes or if we take um 129 00:06:45,833 --> 00:06:47,467 climate codes or if we take um the um discussion on the 130 00:06:47,467 --> 00:06:50,367 the um discussion on the epidemic and And the recovery 131 00:06:50,367 --> 00:06:53,799 epidemic and And the recovery Fund I would have wished uh the 132 00:06:53,799 --> 00:06:55,300 Fund I would have wished uh the commission president to 133 00:06:55,300 --> 00:06:57,666 commission president to strengthen um the uh 134 00:06:57,666 --> 00:06:59,300 strengthen um the uh negotiating hand of the 135 00:06:59,300 --> 00:07:00,767 negotiating hand of the European Parliament and you 136 00:07:00,767 --> 00:07:02,267 European Parliament and you know to make some announcement 137 00:07:02,267 --> 00:07:04,367 know to make some announcement that the European Parliament 138 00:07:04,367 --> 00:07:05,900 that the European Parliament should actually have a say on 139 00:07:05,900 --> 00:07:07,534 should actually have a say on how the money is spent and you 140 00:07:07,534 --> 00:07:09,000 how the money is spent and you know should have a way of 141 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,299 know should have a way of flagging that money is not well 142 00:07:11,299 --> 00:07:14,366 flagging that money is not well spent and and so I think um uh 143 00:07:14,366 --> 00:07:15,800 spent and and so I think um uh overwhelm my feeling was uh and 144 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:16,833 overwhelm my feeling was uh and I don’t wanna be too long. my 145 00:07:16,833 --> 00:07:19,400 I don’t wanna be too long. my uber and my feeling was it was 146 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,266 uber and my feeling was it was a bit a thick two presidential. 147 00:07:21,266 --> 00:07:22,133 a bit a thick two presidential. It’s always presidential, but 148 00:07:22,133 --> 00:07:23,333 It’s always presidential, but it was a take two presidential 149 00:07:23,333 --> 00:07:26,533 it was a take two presidential and it I. Some citizens, many 150 00:07:26,533 --> 00:07:28,834 and it I. Some citizens, many citizens might feel that it’s 151 00:07:28,834 --> 00:07:29,867 citizens might feel that it’s actually very difficult to 152 00:07:29,867 --> 00:07:32,533 actually very difficult to relate to the speech, which is 153 00:07:32,533 --> 00:07:34,400 relate to the speech, which is never easy, but II felt this 154 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,800 never easy, but II felt this time. it was perhaps a bit too 155 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,266 time. it was perhaps a bit too presidential and three was it 156 00:07:39,266 --> 00:07:43,300 presidential and three was it uh two presidential for you. 157 00:07:43,300 --> 00:07:46,667 uh two presidential for you. So, yes, it was presidential, 158 00:07:46,667 --> 00:07:49,734 So, yes, it was presidential, but no uh it was not two 159 00:07:49,734 --> 00:07:51,200 but no uh it was not two presidential think it was 160 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,833 presidential think it was presidential at the right at 161 00:07:52,833 --> 00:07:55,566 presidential at the right at the right level. uh and you 162 00:07:55,566 --> 00:07:59,233 the right level. uh and you know the way we judge uh what 163 00:07:59,233 --> 00:08:02,300 know the way we judge uh what is right or too little too much 164 00:08:02,300 --> 00:08:03,266 is right or too little too much is, according to our 165 00:08:03,266 --> 00:08:06,700 is, according to our expectation um my expectation 166 00:08:06,700 --> 00:08:09,900 expectation um my expectation was uh something of that uh of 167 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:11,900 was uh something of that uh of that level. Uh it is a speech 168 00:08:11,900 --> 00:08:15,200 that level. Uh it is a speech of the president. uh. Inspired 169 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,733 of the president. uh. Inspired by you know the speeches by 170 00:08:17,733 --> 00:08:19,967 by you know the speeches by speeches by US president was 171 00:08:19,967 --> 00:08:23,834 speeches by US president was sort of at the same time uh 172 00:08:23,834 --> 00:08:25,801 sort of at the same time uh examining what has happened 173 00:08:25,801 --> 00:08:27,733 examining what has happened during the last year and where 174 00:08:27,733 --> 00:08:30,233 during the last year and where we are moving so it’s giving 175 00:08:30,233 --> 00:08:33,733 we are moving so it’s giving the broad uh direction of where 176 00:08:33,733 --> 00:08:35,467 the broad uh direction of where we have traveled from and where 177 00:08:35,467 --> 00:08:37,833 we have traveled from and where we are planning to travel from 178 00:08:37,833 --> 00:08:39,866 we are planning to travel from and then it’s normal to me that 179 00:08:39,866 --> 00:08:41,799 and then it’s normal to me that it doesn’t give the details 180 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:42,700 it doesn’t give the details It’s just sort of you know 181 00:08:42,700 --> 00:08:45,599 It’s just sort of you know gives the road. Without giving 182 00:08:45,599 --> 00:08:46,900 gives the road. Without giving all of the elements so they are 183 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:49,266 all of the elements so they are bumps on the road and you know 184 00:08:49,266 --> 00:08:50,666 bumps on the road and you know uh they’re all kinds of 185 00:08:50,666 --> 00:08:52,099 uh they’re all kinds of elements on the road and you’ve 186 00:08:52,099 --> 00:08:53,966 elements on the road and you’ve may drive in different cars on 187 00:08:53,966 --> 00:08:55,967 may drive in different cars on the road, but I think here the 188 00:08:55,967 --> 00:08:57,934 the road, but I think here the idea is to give a sense of what 189 00:08:57,934 --> 00:09:00,167 idea is to give a sense of what are the priorities and you know 190 00:09:00,167 --> 00:09:03,933 are the priorities and you know the way I personally do this is 191 00:09:03,933 --> 00:09:05,199 the way I personally do this is by looking at the text and 192 00:09:05,199 --> 00:09:07,234 by looking at the text and looking at words and how many 193 00:09:07,234 --> 00:09:10,200 looking at words and how many times our words repeated and I 194 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,666 times our words repeated and I think you picked up on you know 195 00:09:12,666 --> 00:09:14,600 think you picked up on you know on exactly those words that you 196 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,699 on exactly those words that you heard a lot yes next. 197 00:10:51,833 --> 00:10:53,333 Frankly, speaking is the very 198 00:10:53,333 --> 00:10:54,701 Frankly, speaking is the very first time I listened to the 199 00:10:54,701 --> 00:10:56,834 first time I listened to the whole speech and it happens to 200 00:10:56,834 --> 00:11:01,034 whole speech and it happens to be the longest and it is very 201 00:11:01,034 --> 00:11:02,533 be the longest and it is very different when you actually go 202 00:11:02,533 --> 00:11:06,800 different when you actually go by work by work uh for a speech 203 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,966 by work by work uh for a speech of this nature and I want to 204 00:11:08,966 --> 00:11:12,767 of this nature and I want to refer to what gurus uh said 205 00:11:12,767 --> 00:11:17,633 refer to what gurus uh said about the presidential I agree 206 00:11:17,633 --> 00:11:21,400 about the presidential I agree with uh Andrea. Presidential 207 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,000 with uh Andrea. Presidential but at the same time, how close 208 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,734 but at the same time, how close to the citizens it was and I 209 00:11:27,734 --> 00:11:29,400 to the citizens it was and I actually think that the 210 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,899 actually think that the president when I try very hard 211 00:11:31,899 --> 00:11:33,367 president when I try very hard to be close to the citizens 212 00:11:33,367 --> 00:11:36,766 to be close to the citizens with a number of touchy touchy 213 00:11:36,766 --> 00:11:39,334 with a number of touchy touchy uh concepts, I can give you a 214 00:11:39,334 --> 00:11:43,800 uh concepts, I can give you a feel like we have valued wealth 215 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,433 feel like we have valued wealth rather than well being um we 216 00:11:45,433 --> 00:11:47,467 rather than well being um we need to move from fragility to 217 00:11:47,467 --> 00:11:51,333 need to move from fragility to fatality. we need to turn. Into 218 00:11:51,333 --> 00:11:56,267 fatality. we need to turn. Into cooperation uh we are social 219 00:11:56,267 --> 00:11:59,333 cooperation uh we are social market economy and a human 220 00:11:59,333 --> 00:12:01,899 market economy and a human economy with which should 221 00:12:01,899 --> 00:12:03,400 economy with which should protect us, You know, frankly 222 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,967 protect us, You know, frankly speaking, I mean it’s very the 223 00:12:05,967 --> 00:12:07,533 speaking, I mean it’s very the attempt to touch Everybody’s 224 00:12:07,533 --> 00:12:10,966 attempt to touch Everybody’s heart is there, but but if you 225 00:12:10,966 --> 00:12:13,633 heart is there, but but if you ask me as an economist, I’m 226 00:12:13,633 --> 00:12:16,300 ask me as an economist, I’m like is this a socially state 227 00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:17,933 like is this a socially state or I mean you know like I feel 228 00:12:17,933 --> 00:12:21,933 or I mean you know like I feel it. Times repeated repeating 229 00:12:21,933 --> 00:12:24,800 it. Times repeated repeating the concept of protection II 230 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,400 the concept of protection II mean this is uh this is a 231 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,267 mean this is uh this is a epidemic it you may be okay. 232 00:12:31,267 --> 00:12:32,933 epidemic it you may be okay. protecting yourself from a 233 00:12:32,933 --> 00:12:35,234 protecting yourself from a epidemic, but you know we need 234 00:12:35,234 --> 00:12:36,866 epidemic, but you know we need to also think about 235 00:12:36,866 --> 00:12:39,067 to also think about competitiveness moving ahead, 236 00:12:39,067 --> 00:12:42,000 competitiveness moving ahead, You know, II just felt that the 237 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,367 You know, II just felt that the balance between the two was too 238 00:12:44,367 --> 00:12:46,833 balance between the two was too much towards the social 239 00:12:46,833 --> 00:12:47,800 much towards the social aspects, which, of course can 240 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,267 aspects, which, of course can be justified by the pic but 241 00:12:49,267 --> 00:12:52,267 be justified by the pic but leave us to. That the European 242 00:12:52,267 --> 00:12:53,700 leave us to. That the European unions, they’re just to protect 243 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:57,266 unions, they’re just to protect us but nobody can protect us, 244 00:12:57,266 --> 00:13:00,000 us but nobody can protect us, not even the European unions 245 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,233 not even the European unions that that to me telling 246 00:13:02,233 --> 00:13:04,399 that that to me telling citizens you know what we need 247 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:08,333 citizens you know what we need to change for 248 00:13:08,333 --> 00:13:08,400 to change for the sake 249 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,799 the sake of competing in this 250 00:13:10,799 --> 00:13:12,400 the sake of competing in this very difficult world surviving 251 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,667 very difficult world surviving the new you know forces were 252 00:13:14,667 --> 00:13:15,867 the new you know forces were between two individuals. We 253 00:13:15,867 --> 00:13:17,400 between two individuals. We need to be there. I mean that 254 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,333 need to be there. I mean that thing to me was missing so it 255 00:13:19,333 --> 00:13:22,334 thing to me was missing so it was. 256 00:13:22,634 --> 00:13:25,367 A very good attempt, I mean, 257 00:13:25,367 --> 00:13:27,600 A very good attempt, I mean, I’m not sure how good but an 258 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,633 I’m not sure how good but an attempt to reach the city with 259 00:13:29,633 --> 00:13:31,766 attempt to reach the city with things that you can understand. 260 00:13:31,766 --> 00:13:34,900 things that you can understand. but I’m not sure with we’re 261 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:36,167 but I’m not sure with we’re we’re really doing any favor to 262 00:13:36,167 --> 00:13:39,766 we’re really doing any favor to the citizens to cut of deny the 263 00:13:39,766 --> 00:13:41,433 the citizens to cut of deny the reality out there that that’s 264 00:13:41,433 --> 00:13:43,900 reality out there that that’s really my point. It’s two 265 00:13:43,900 --> 00:13:45,167 really my point. It’s two protectionist for what I think 266 00:13:45,167 --> 00:13:46,700 protectionist for what I think in Europe should be heading 267 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:48,667 in Europe should be heading towards and that’s really the 268 00:13:48,667 --> 00:13:51,800 towards and that’s really the key thing I wanted to say. So 269 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,533 key thing I wanted to say. So thank you for your remarks. I 270 00:13:53,533 --> 00:13:55,967 thank you for your remarks. I think that we are going to go a 271 00:13:55,967 --> 00:13:57,400 think that we are going to go a little more in depth into some 272 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,967 little more in depth into some of those remarks when you speak 273 00:13:59,967 --> 00:14:03,367 of those remarks when you speak about uh this protection is 274 00:14:03,367 --> 00:14:05,434 about uh this protection is approach I will be uh in a 275 00:14:05,434 --> 00:14:07,133 approach I will be uh in a second when we’re going to 276 00:14:07,133 --> 00:14:08,834 second when we’re going to speak about the political 277 00:14:08,834 --> 00:14:11,299 speak about the political aspects, especially this the 278 00:14:11,299 --> 00:14:13,033 aspects, especially this the the global and the positions 279 00:14:13,033 --> 00:14:15,600 the global and the positions that uh that were outlined in 280 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,267 that uh that were outlined in the speech. uh how this 281 00:14:17,267 --> 00:14:19,033 the speech. uh how this protection is versus the 282 00:14:19,033 --> 00:14:22,201 protection is versus the openness has been playing out. 283 00:14:22,201 --> 00:14:24,767 openness has been playing out. One of the follow up uh first 284 00:14:24,767 --> 00:14:26,834 One of the follow up uh first follow-up of the main points uh 285 00:14:26,834 --> 00:14:29,167 follow-up of the main points uh over there of the speech was 286 00:14:29,167 --> 00:14:30,634 over there of the speech was the green side and the green 287 00:14:30,634 --> 00:14:33,266 the green side and the green and digital where these two uh 288 00:14:33,266 --> 00:14:36,733 and digital where these two uh big bats word that also Andre 289 00:14:36,733 --> 00:14:38,733 big bats word that also Andre has been mentioned and where 290 00:14:38,733 --> 00:14:41,267 has been mentioned and where indeed issues related to what 291 00:14:41,267 --> 00:14:42,333 indeed issues related to what you’re saying at least you’re 292 00:14:42,333 --> 00:14:43,767 you’re saying at least you’re ready to competitiveness on one 293 00:14:43,767 --> 00:14:45,634 ready to competitiveness on one side and protection on the 294 00:14:45,634 --> 00:14:47,867 side and protection on the other side, We’re all at play. 295 00:14:47,867 --> 00:14:50,367 other side, We’re all at play. I mean they they they they can 296 00:14:50,367 --> 00:14:51,934 I mean they they they they can be a trace uh within within 297 00:14:51,934 --> 00:14:54,900 be a trace uh within within that, so maybe uh it would. To 298 00:14:54,900 --> 00:14:57,967 that, so maybe uh it would. To go a bit deeper into uh these 299 00:14:57,967 --> 00:14:59,400 go a bit deeper into uh these two these two issues first, the 300 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,966 two these two issues first, the green one that’s been this 301 00:15:01,966 --> 00:15:05,299 green one that’s been this announcement of uh the new 302 00:15:05,299 --> 00:15:07,200 announcement of uh the new targets for the reduction of 303 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:12,334 targets for the reduction of the missions to 55% uh for uh 304 00:15:12,334 --> 00:15:16,367 the missions to 55% uh for uh 2030 and the first question is 305 00:15:16,367 --> 00:15:18,133 2030 and the first question is uh to you is what do you what 306 00:15:18,133 --> 00:15:20,400 uh to you is what do you what do we make out of this? uh are 307 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,133 do we make out of this? uh are those targets first of all 308 00:15:22,133 --> 00:15:24,834 those targets first of all achievable. Are they realistic 309 00:15:24,834 --> 00:15:27,466 achievable. Are they realistic and then secondly, uh obviously 310 00:15:27,466 --> 00:15:29,934 and then secondly, uh obviously this was a broad speech so it 311 00:15:29,934 --> 00:15:32,333 this was a broad speech so it didn’t went into the details of 312 00:15:32,333 --> 00:15:34,966 didn’t went into the details of how those things will be 313 00:15:34,966 --> 00:15:36,833 how those things will be achieved. But what do we what 314 00:15:36,833 --> 00:15:38,699 achieved. But what do we what do we make out of it? What uh 315 00:15:38,699 --> 00:15:40,066 do we make out of it? What uh what can we expect on this 316 00:15:40,066 --> 00:15:43,066 what can we expect on this area? 317 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,700 I mean look on the on the 318 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:48,834 I mean look on the on the Greening II think um we all 319 00:15:48,834 --> 00:15:50,599 Greening II think um we all agree um certainly I agree, but 320 00:15:50,599 --> 00:15:52,734 agree um certainly I agree, but I think most citizens find out 321 00:15:52,734 --> 00:15:55,667 I think most citizens find out agreed that climate change is 322 00:15:55,667 --> 00:15:58,433 agreed that climate change is um is a reality and it’s a 323 00:15:58,433 --> 00:16:00,666 um is a reality and it’s a reality that is deeply 324 00:16:00,666 --> 00:16:03,267 reality that is deeply affecting all of us and it’s 325 00:16:03,267 --> 00:16:04,766 affecting all of us and it’s affecting our planet and I 326 00:16:04,766 --> 00:16:07,167 affecting our planet and I think they understand we 327 00:16:07,167 --> 00:16:08,701 think they understand we understanding that um climate 328 00:16:08,701 --> 00:16:10,266 understanding that um climate change needs to be tackled. I 329 00:16:10,266 --> 00:16:11,433 change needs to be tackled. I mean this is the biggest 330 00:16:11,433 --> 00:16:13,067 mean this is the biggest challenge of humanity and I 331 00:16:13,067 --> 00:16:15,034 challenge of humanity and I think in that sense, I think we 332 00:16:15,034 --> 00:16:17,800 think in that sense, I think we are uh. Sörten Day and 333 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,500 are uh. Sörten Day and Eishütten, die in Dos, VID auf 334 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:25,933 Eishütten, die in Dos, VID auf ähm mit Nutrial, and ähm I 335 00:16:25,933 --> 00:16:28,234 ähm mit Nutrial, and ähm I think the fifty five present 336 00:16:28,234 --> 00:16:30,767 think the fifty five present goal, andouncing suche gold, is 337 00:16:30,767 --> 00:16:33,467 goal, andouncing suche gold, is very ambitions ähm and äh you 338 00:16:33,467 --> 00:16:35,934 very ambitions ähm and äh you know to chived I would like to 339 00:16:35,934 --> 00:16:37,800 know to chived I would like to see, how be chee bed and I the 340 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,800 see, how be chee bed and I the comission will of course 341 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,800 comission will of course publish, ähm Tomorrow und First 342 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,233 publish, ähm Tomorrow und First Day, äh the seven Teens äh auf 343 00:16:44,233 --> 00:16:46,800 Day, äh the seven Teens äh auf September it republish ähm im 344 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,267 September it republish ähm im Economic Assessment auf How 345 00:16:48,267 --> 00:16:49,900 Economic Assessment auf How this will be done ähm and we 346 00:16:49,900 --> 00:16:50,467 this will be done ähm and we will have to stoty that ases 347 00:16:50,467 --> 00:16:53,500 will have to stoty that ases mit 348 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:01,767 Is well now we are here 12% GDP 349 00:18:01,767 --> 00:18:04,333 Is well now we are here 12% GDP 12% down uh you know I’m about 350 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:07,067 12% down uh you know I’m about to lose my job or I risk losing 351 00:18:07,067 --> 00:18:09,167 to lose my job or I risk losing my job and by the way I might 352 00:18:09,167 --> 00:18:10,699 my job and by the way I might have to commute um 500 353 00:18:10,699 --> 00:18:12,533 have to commute um 500 kilometers to get to my new job 354 00:18:12,533 --> 00:18:14,699 kilometers to get to my new job or 200 kilometers, and now the 355 00:18:14,699 --> 00:18:16,199 or 200 kilometers, and now the commission is gonna you know 356 00:18:16,199 --> 00:18:19,067 commission is gonna you know impose a big tax on my car and 357 00:18:19,067 --> 00:18:20,234 impose a big tax on my car and it’s gonna make it impossible 358 00:18:20,234 --> 00:18:21,933 it’s gonna make it impossible for me to actually uh find a 359 00:18:21,933 --> 00:18:23,333 for me to actually uh find a new job. I mean that’s what 360 00:18:23,333 --> 00:18:24,600 new job. I mean that’s what citizens worry about and you 361 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,567 citizens worry about and you know I think she would have 362 00:18:26,567 --> 00:18:32,000 know I think she would have done uh. ähm als äh Favorite 363 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,966 done uh. ähm als äh Favorite ähm Fighting Climate, Change, 364 00:18:33,966 --> 00:18:36,567 ähm Fighting Climate, Change, Yes, Edition Priority, yes it’s 365 00:18:36,567 --> 00:18:38,000 Yes, Edition Priority, yes it’s the right priority besuch, but 366 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,000 the right priority besuch, but yes it’s gonna be differd and 367 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,966 yes it’s gonna be differd and yes we will have to invest in 368 00:18:41,966 --> 00:18:44,466 yes we will have to invest in to eh your know eh lot invest 369 00:18:44,466 --> 00:18:45,933 to eh your know eh lot invest and lot into alternatives wie 370 00:18:45,933 --> 00:18:48,200 and lot into alternatives wie will have to support eh worker 371 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,967 will have to support eh worker stet eh might news der Job 372 00:18:49,967 --> 00:18:52,267 stet eh might news der Job becausebit we will have to find 373 00:18:52,267 --> 00:18:53,967 becausebit we will have to find ways auf really making, making 374 00:18:53,967 --> 00:18:56,467 ways auf really making, making this Social Social Defizible 375 00:18:56,467 --> 00:18:59,100 this Social Social Defizible und Iceinges Skishot of Setbad 376 00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:05,000 und Iceinges Skishot of Setbad Mukrially. What do you think? 377 00:19:07,234 --> 00:19:09,966 Well, um I think the first of 378 00:19:09,966 --> 00:19:13,867 Well, um I think the first of all I fully with one from that 379 00:19:13,867 --> 00:19:15,299 all I fully with one from that within those targets out there 380 00:19:15,299 --> 00:19:16,767 within those targets out there with you know in the light of 381 00:19:16,767 --> 00:19:19,334 with you know in the light of the pandemic sounds like like 382 00:19:19,334 --> 00:19:21,166 the pandemic sounds like like nothing because of the pandemic 383 00:19:21,166 --> 00:19:22,367 nothing because of the pandemic kind of question you know if 384 00:19:22,367 --> 00:19:25,000 kind of question you know if you’re a citizen, it’s like 385 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,366 you’re a citizen, it’s like wait a minute. What are our 386 00:19:26,366 --> 00:19:28,666 wait a minute. What are our priorities? What comes first? 387 00:19:28,666 --> 00:19:31,334 priorities? What comes first? What comes next and I think 388 00:19:31,334 --> 00:19:33,667 What comes next and I think that is in it. I also think 389 00:19:33,667 --> 00:19:35,300 that is in it. I also think that the new target or at least 390 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:37,533 that the new target or at least new to me the 30% of financing 391 00:19:37,533 --> 00:19:40,833 new to me the 30% of financing green. Uh I mean green 392 00:19:40,833 --> 00:19:44,700 green. Uh I mean green financing for the 7577 393 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:48,767 financing for the 7577 150000000000 Recover fund seems 394 00:19:48,767 --> 00:19:51,434 150000000000 Recover fund seems to put the balance in something 395 00:19:51,434 --> 00:19:53,967 to put the balance in something that in my mind is easier how 396 00:19:53,967 --> 00:19:55,500 that in my mind is easier how to finance that thing we use 397 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:57,667 to finance that thing we use green balances. Why not? it’s a 398 00:19:57,667 --> 00:19:58,633 green balances. Why not? it’s a new market? you know you could 399 00:19:58,633 --> 00:20:01,900 new market? you know you could be a bank will love it rather 400 00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:03,299 be a bank will love it rather than how much should we spend 401 00:20:03,299 --> 00:20:06,466 than how much should we spend out of the 750000000000 in 402 00:20:06,466 --> 00:20:09,167 out of the 750000000000 in climate change. Oriented 403 00:20:09,167 --> 00:20:14,133 climate change. Oriented strategies so I think if I were 404 00:20:14,133 --> 00:20:15,833 strategies so I think if I were reading that part, you know as 405 00:20:15,833 --> 00:20:18,301 reading that part, you know as somebody interested in in 406 00:20:18,301 --> 00:20:21,134 somebody interested in in industries, I would have wanted 407 00:20:21,134 --> 00:20:24,900 industries, I would have wanted to know what was ultimately the 408 00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:25,667 to know what was ultimately the arrangement because we all know 409 00:20:25,667 --> 00:20:27,233 arrangement because we all know that there was a lot of 410 00:20:27,233 --> 00:20:28,701 that there was a lot of fighting fighting him by the 411 00:20:28,701 --> 00:20:30,399 fighting fighting him by the way from the speech sounded we 412 00:20:30,399 --> 00:20:31,934 way from the speech sounded we all agreed with this uh 413 00:20:31,934 --> 00:20:33,367 all agreed with this uh recovery fund, but we all know 414 00:20:33,367 --> 00:20:35,534 recovery fund, but we all know that it was hard. maybe she 415 00:20:35,534 --> 00:20:36,966 that it was hard. maybe she could have a knowledge that you 416 00:20:36,966 --> 00:20:39,200 could have a knowledge that you know in the in the last uh and 417 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,767 know in the in the last uh and and that. Approved. Deal there 418 00:20:41,767 --> 00:20:43,799 and that. Approved. Deal there was there was bit of a 419 00:20:43,799 --> 00:20:45,434 was there was bit of a compromise on this very 420 00:20:45,434 --> 00:20:47,000 compromise on this very important issue, but nothing 421 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,699 important issue, but nothing was said maybe to avoid that 422 00:20:49,699 --> 00:20:51,967 was said maybe to avoid that sad news that you know we we 423 00:20:51,967 --> 00:20:53,800 sad news that you know we we kind of cut a little bit on on 424 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,699 kind of cut a little bit on on what was very important, 425 00:20:55,699 --> 00:20:57,233 what was very important, according to her speech, so 426 00:20:57,233 --> 00:20:58,767 according to her speech, so that it was a little bit 427 00:20:58,767 --> 00:21:00,333 that it was a little bit imbalance in my opinion. This 428 00:21:00,333 --> 00:21:01,967 imbalance in my opinion. This is so important. why didn’t we 429 00:21:01,967 --> 00:21:03,967 is so important. why didn’t we have more funds for it and 430 00:21:03,967 --> 00:21:05,533 have more funds for it and whether you finance it with 431 00:21:05,533 --> 00:21:07,066 whether you finance it with rains will make a difference to 432 00:21:07,066 --> 00:21:07,767 rains will make a difference to the environment. I will tell 433 00:21:07,767 --> 00:21:08,633 the environment. I will tell you because we all know that 434 00:21:08,633 --> 00:21:10,866 you because we all know that you know, it’s it’s a very very 435 00:21:10,866 --> 00:21:11,799 you know, it’s it’s a very very broad definition of what is 436 00:21:11,799 --> 00:21:13,234 broad definition of what is actually considered a green 437 00:21:13,234 --> 00:21:13,899 actually considered a green one. so it’s not very 438 00:21:13,899 --> 00:21:14,967 one. so it’s not very convincing to me. That’s that’s 439 00:21:14,967 --> 00:21:21,833 convincing to me. That’s that’s what I.. Say yeah and so III 440 00:21:21,833 --> 00:21:25,333 what I.. Say yeah and so III would say that um sure um what 441 00:21:25,333 --> 00:21:29,467 would say that um sure um what she said this uh is uh sort of 442 00:21:29,467 --> 00:21:32,199 she said this uh is uh sort of general general nature not in 443 00:21:32,199 --> 00:21:34,700 general general nature not in not in details, But it’s said 444 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:37,266 not in details, But it’s said that the details they will come 445 00:21:37,266 --> 00:21:39,100 that the details they will come in the documents that would be 446 00:21:39,100 --> 00:21:41,967 in the documents that would be uh uh. in in the coming days. 447 00:21:41,967 --> 00:21:45,499 uh uh. in in the coming days. So I think that that is that is 448 00:21:45,499 --> 00:21:48,833 So I think that that is that is that is fine. 449 00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:20,400 Into this objective, stricter 450 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,333 Into this objective, stricter object of 55 or 55%, and so I 451 00:22:23,333 --> 00:22:25,801 object of 55 or 55%, and so I thought that this was very good 452 00:22:25,801 --> 00:22:27,167 thought that this was very good because she does say in the 453 00:22:27,167 --> 00:22:29,799 because she does say in the speech that in a sense she has 454 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:34,467 speech that in a sense she has been discussing this with uh. 455 00:23:03,267 --> 00:23:05,900 More binding now, obviously it 456 00:23:05,900 --> 00:23:07,867 More binding now, obviously it is ambitious and uh it will 457 00:23:07,867 --> 00:23:10,467 is ambitious and uh it will have all kinds of all kinds of 458 00:23:10,467 --> 00:23:11,800 have all kinds of all kinds of consequences, some of which are 459 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,299 consequences, some of which are gonna come uh allude to uh but 460 00:23:14,299 --> 00:23:16,699 gonna come uh allude to uh but again, I think you know we 461 00:23:16,699 --> 00:23:19,699 again, I think you know we should not give the message to 462 00:23:19,699 --> 00:23:22,533 should not give the message to citizen that uh simply 463 00:23:22,533 --> 00:23:26,266 citizen that uh simply achieving a climate neutrality 464 00:23:26,266 --> 00:23:29,767 achieving a climate neutrality by 2050 is going to happen in 465 00:23:29,767 --> 00:23:32,934 by 2050 is going to happen in 2049 uh in order to meet the 466 00:23:32,934 --> 00:23:37,434 2049 uh in order to meet the zero. Uh a mission in 2015 uh 467 00:23:37,434 --> 00:23:40,300 zero. Uh a mission in 2015 uh this is going to be uh very uh 468 00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:42,766 this is going to be uh very uh very demanding very demanding 469 00:23:42,766 --> 00:23:44,234 very demanding very demanding road and if we want to reach 470 00:23:44,234 --> 00:23:47,233 road and if we want to reach that objective in 2015, we 471 00:23:47,233 --> 00:23:48,600 that objective in 2015, we better set ourselves a number 472 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,867 better set ourselves a number of milestones and I think to 473 00:23:50,867 --> 00:23:53,733 of milestones and I think to set the milestones for 2030 is 474 00:23:53,733 --> 00:23:54,867 set the milestones for 2030 is what needs to be done. 475 00:23:54,867 --> 00:23:56,634 what needs to be done. Otherwise we will never we will 476 00:23:56,634 --> 00:23:57,500 Otherwise we will never we will never reach the point. We’re 477 00:23:57,500 --> 00:23:59,066 never reach the point. We’re always delay. You’re not 478 00:23:59,066 --> 00:24:00,367 always delay. You’re not reaching you know. it’s a it’s 479 00:24:00,367 --> 00:24:02,033 reaching you know. it’s a it’s a 2049. that’s suddenly we are 480 00:24:02,033 --> 00:24:03,334 a 2049. that’s suddenly we are going to do all of the job and 481 00:24:03,334 --> 00:24:05,100 going to do all of the job and we know that doesn’t make any 482 00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:05,934 we know that doesn’t make any sense. so I think she’s 483 00:24:05,934 --> 00:24:08,867 sense. so I think she’s bringing a sense of. Of what 484 00:24:08,867 --> 00:24:10,933 bringing a sense of. Of what this means now, how this will 485 00:24:10,933 --> 00:24:12,967 this means now, how this will be translated and again, this 486 00:24:12,967 --> 00:24:13,967 be translated and again, this will be done differently in 487 00:24:13,967 --> 00:24:15,267 will be done differently in different countries. I mean the 488 00:24:15,267 --> 00:24:18,900 different countries. I mean the commission is not going to set 489 00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:20,933 commission is not going to set precise targets for each 490 00:24:20,933 --> 00:24:21,900 precise targets for each individual country that is 491 00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:23,234 individual country that is countries that we need to to 492 00:24:23,234 --> 00:24:25,767 countries that we need to to say hey, this is the way we are 493 00:24:25,767 --> 00:24:28,534 say hey, this is the way we are going to meet the target that 494 00:24:28,534 --> 00:24:30,867 going to meet the target that we have in common and different 495 00:24:30,867 --> 00:24:31,800 we have in common and different countries will do differently 496 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,966 countries will do differently those that they use score while 497 00:24:32,966 --> 00:24:34,767 those that they use score while they want to do the same thing 498 00:24:34,767 --> 00:24:36,533 they want to do the same thing as those that use the nuclear 499 00:24:36,533 --> 00:24:38,700 as those that use the nuclear power so they will be a variety 500 00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:40,234 power so they will be a variety of approaches and those variety 501 00:24:40,234 --> 00:24:41,000 of approaches and those variety of approaches they will come 502 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,467 of approaches they will come from the members. I think 503 00:24:42,467 --> 00:24:44,667 from the members. I think third. And the job of the 504 00:24:44,667 --> 00:24:47,367 third. And the job of the commission is again to set the 505 00:24:47,367 --> 00:24:49,767 commission is again to set the road and and to set the 506 00:24:49,767 --> 00:24:51,434 road and and to set the objective so to put the 507 00:24:51,434 --> 00:24:53,800 objective so to put the objective of twenty at 55% 508 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,534 objective of twenty at 55% reduction by 2030 and 509 00:24:55,534 --> 00:24:57,733 reduction by 2030 and confirming that that leaves 10 510 00:24:57,733 --> 00:24:59,400 confirming that that leaves 10 years, I think it’s sufficient 511 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,000 years, I think it’s sufficient time, but it will be a certain 512 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,534 time, but it will be a certain a hard road to travel, but we 513 00:25:04,534 --> 00:25:06,966 a hard road to travel, but we really need to uh we we need to 514 00:25:06,966 --> 00:25:09,700 really need to uh we we need to do that some we may as well, be 515 00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:10,933 do that some we may as well, be ambitious right now. So I think 516 00:25:10,933 --> 00:25:15,034 ambitious right now. So I think again I think the tone that. 517 00:25:48,733 --> 00:25:51,167 They say the green Revolution, 518 00:25:51,167 --> 00:25:53,900 They say the green Revolution, I want to call it uh together 519 00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:56,200 I want to call it uh together with the digital sign. um the 520 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,667 with the digital sign. um the the two things somehow um never 521 00:26:00,667 --> 00:26:02,201 the two things somehow um never disconnected from the narrative 522 00:26:02,201 --> 00:26:04,234 disconnected from the narrative that the commission is trying 523 00:26:04,234 --> 00:26:05,900 that the commission is trying to portray in terms of what is 524 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:08,267 to portray in terms of what is going to be the new industry 525 00:26:08,267 --> 00:26:10,500 going to be the new industry strategy or the new your future 526 00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:13,067 strategy or the new your future of uh of of Europe. So I think 527 00:26:13,067 --> 00:26:15,867 of uh of of Europe. So I think that we cannot complete our 528 00:26:15,867 --> 00:26:16,667 that we cannot complete our overview of what you were 529 00:26:16,667 --> 00:26:19,267 overview of what you were saying in the speech. It comes 530 00:26:19,267 --> 00:26:20,799 saying in the speech. It comes to the green side without 531 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:23,300 to the green side without looking at what she said on the 532 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:25,833 looking at what she said on the digital part. That’s why and 533 00:26:25,833 --> 00:26:27,600 digital part. That’s why and then and there uh I’m I’m 534 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,800 then and there uh I’m I’m really understand what you 535 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,767 really understand what you thought out of it uh because 536 00:26:31,767 --> 00:26:34,433 thought out of it uh because she say uh she she made it 537 00:26:34,433 --> 00:26:36,966 she say uh she she made it quite a lot of time to to speak 538 00:26:36,966 --> 00:26:39,200 quite a lot of time to to speak about digital and even about 539 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,133 about digital and even about broadband access and and and so 540 00:26:41,133 --> 00:26:45,801 broadband access and and and so on uh but then how do we make 541 00:26:45,801 --> 00:26:47,233 on uh but then how do we make hers her part of the speech on 542 00:26:47,233 --> 00:26:49,267 hers her part of the speech on digital? uh you know compared. 543 00:26:49,267 --> 00:26:50,733 digital? uh you know compared. Out of the green and how do we 544 00:26:50,733 --> 00:26:51,799 Out of the green and how do we relate these two things with 545 00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:53,067 relate these two things with each other when it comes to the 546 00:26:53,067 --> 00:26:56,099 each other when it comes to the strategy. 547 00:26:57,834 --> 00:27:00,333 Maybe let let let let let me 548 00:27:00,333 --> 00:27:02,300 Maybe let let let let let me start um I think it’s the right 549 00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:04,700 start um I think it’s the right is the right approach that 550 00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:08,367 is the right approach that indeed uh digital and uh and 551 00:27:08,367 --> 00:27:11,400 indeed uh digital and uh and green uh a complementary and 552 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,267 green uh a complementary and that one way uh and instead of 553 00:27:14,267 --> 00:27:16,667 that one way uh and instead of the only way and nor is digital 554 00:27:16,667 --> 00:27:20,301 the only way and nor is digital only there to serve uh the 555 00:27:20,301 --> 00:27:22,367 only there to serve uh the climate, the climate objective. 556 00:27:22,367 --> 00:27:24,733 climate, the climate objective. but I think yes more digital 557 00:27:24,733 --> 00:27:26,567 but I think yes more digital economy will definitely help in 558 00:27:26,567 --> 00:27:30,467 economy will definitely help in in a variety of. 559 00:28:50,333 --> 00:28:53,399 For a long time magic wand this 560 00:28:53,399 --> 00:28:58,433 For a long time magic wand this at a year a year or two, so. 561 00:28:58,433 --> 00:29:02,201 at a year a year or two, so. There are we need to really set 562 00:29:02,201 --> 00:29:04,833 There are we need to really set ourselves a number of uh she 563 00:29:04,833 --> 00:29:09,067 ourselves a number of uh she had in her speech as I said. 564 00:29:09,867 --> 00:29:11,400 Andrea are unfortunate and 565 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,000 Andrea are unfortunate and sorry to interrupt you, but but 566 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,100 sorry to interrupt you, but but the the the place where she 567 00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:20,400 the the the place where she made a concrete. 568 00:29:50,767 --> 00:29:53,800 äh 569 00:29:57,333 --> 00:30:00,933 Ability of Euro is 570 00:30:01,667 --> 00:30:07,400 Challenge äh behind äh the 571 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,834 Challenge äh behind äh the United states and China. Äh I 572 00:30:09,834 --> 00:30:11,400 United states and China. Äh I thing that this where Europe 573 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:17,199 thing that this where Europe net to set it self äh so 574 00:30:17,199 --> 00:30:19,767 net to set it self äh so targets. Shidit äh come out 575 00:30:19,767 --> 00:30:21,400 targets. Shidit äh come out with with the Number eh which 576 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,267 with with the Number eh which is Uh We’ve made an investment 577 00:30:26,267 --> 00:30:29,000 is Uh We’ve made an investment of 8000000000 in the next for 578 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,200 of 8000000000 in the next for the next generation of 579 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,266 the next generation of supercomputers um okay. That’s 580 00:30:34,266 --> 00:30:37,967 supercomputers um okay. That’s that’s something clear um 581 00:30:37,967 --> 00:30:39,400 that’s something clear um whether that is sufficient That 582 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,199 whether that is sufficient That is a different matter. So I 583 00:30:40,199 --> 00:30:42,134 is a different matter. So I think we really need indeed and 584 00:30:42,134 --> 00:30:43,967 think we really need indeed and you know she’s not the first 585 00:30:43,967 --> 00:30:47,500 you know she’s not the first president uh yo even bars 586 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:49,967 president uh yo even bars obviously talk a lot about the 587 00:30:49,967 --> 00:30:54,234 obviously talk a lot about the digital and or uh is not. The 588 00:30:54,234 --> 00:30:57,600 digital and or uh is not. The US and China in this space, so 589 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,300 US and China in this space, so I think there it is very 590 00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:01,334 I think there it is very important for a variety of 591 00:31:01,334 --> 00:31:02,867 important for a variety of issues, including green and 592 00:31:02,867 --> 00:31:05,233 issues, including green and yes, I think that we need to be 593 00:31:05,233 --> 00:31:08,000 yes, I think that we need to be more ambitious and I wish that 594 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,533 more ambitious and I wish that there she did not only say the 595 00:31:10,533 --> 00:31:13,333 there she did not only say the word digital but uh she was 596 00:31:13,333 --> 00:31:15,699 word digital but uh she was more clear into the that we are 597 00:31:15,699 --> 00:31:17,333 more clear into the that we are really liking behind and that 598 00:31:17,333 --> 00:31:19,267 really liking behind and that we need to make a huge a huge 599 00:31:19,267 --> 00:31:21,966 we need to make a huge a huge effort. Thank you uh said that 600 00:31:21,966 --> 00:31:24,467 effort. Thank you uh said that you. Add something on the 601 00:31:24,467 --> 00:31:26,400 you. Add something on the digital side. Well, I mean if I 602 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,967 digital side. Well, I mean if I can just add very quickly, I 603 00:31:27,967 --> 00:31:30,234 can just add very quickly, I mean I entirely agree um that 604 00:31:30,234 --> 00:31:33,133 mean I entirely agree um that you know the um the targets um 605 00:31:33,133 --> 00:31:34,534 you know the um the targets um it’s good that she announced 606 00:31:34,534 --> 00:31:35,867 it’s good that she announced them and achieving the climate 607 00:31:35,867 --> 00:31:38,600 them and achieving the climate targets of course also requires 608 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,500 targets of course also requires um easing up our digital 609 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:42,867 um easing up our digital strategy and I thought she was 610 00:31:42,867 --> 00:31:43,967 strategy and I thought she was right uh the President’s 611 00:31:43,967 --> 00:31:45,267 right uh the President’s Commission president was right 612 00:31:45,267 --> 00:31:47,767 Commission president was right to really spend a lot of time. 613 00:31:47,767 --> 00:31:49,967 to really spend a lot of time. uh I mean quite some time on 614 00:31:49,967 --> 00:31:53,234 uh I mean quite some time on the digital issues um. That 615 00:31:53,234 --> 00:31:56,500 the digital issues um. That that we are facing um but says 616 00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:58,899 that we are facing um but says I mean it’s not the first time 617 00:31:58,899 --> 00:32:01,234 I mean it’s not the first time that this was uh was mentioned 618 00:32:01,234 --> 00:32:02,834 that this was uh was mentioned by previous commission 619 00:32:02,834 --> 00:32:05,534 by previous commission president um and they are clear 620 00:32:05,534 --> 00:32:08,200 president um and they are clear issues um why we are lacking 621 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,400 issues um why we are lacking behind and um my senses if I 622 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,300 behind and um my senses if I read this and I rewrite this 623 00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:16,234 read this and I rewrite this part of the speech, I mean, II 624 00:32:16,234 --> 00:32:18,800 part of the speech, I mean, II think on uh on, for example on 625 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,400 think on uh on, for example on the issue of artificial 626 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,733 the issue of artificial intelligence, she spent a. Time 627 00:32:23,733 --> 00:32:26,000 intelligence, she spent a. Time um talking about how to 628 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000 um talking about how to regulate it we spent almost no 629 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,566 regulate it we spent almost no time talking about how we can 630 00:32:30,566 --> 00:32:33,933 time talking about how we can adopt it quickly and you know 631 00:32:33,933 --> 00:32:35,467 adopt it quickly and you know why we do not uh why we are not 632 00:32:35,467 --> 00:32:36,867 why we do not uh why we are not a leader in this. I mean we are 633 00:32:36,867 --> 00:32:39,167 a leader in this. I mean we are need a leader in development on 634 00:32:39,167 --> 00:32:41,267 need a leader in development on on the machine algorithms. I 635 00:32:41,267 --> 00:32:42,467 on the machine algorithms. I mean we have some top 636 00:32:42,467 --> 00:32:43,800 mean we have some top scientists there, but in sort 637 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,434 scientists there, but in sort of applying those and then 638 00:32:46,434 --> 00:32:47,800 of applying those and then turning it into commercial 639 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,267 turning it into commercial opportunities. We are just not 640 00:32:49,267 --> 00:32:50,800 opportunities. We are just not a leader. I mean it’s as simple 641 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,133 a leader. I mean it’s as simple as that and she doesn’t spend 642 00:32:52,133 --> 00:32:53,967 as that and she doesn’t spend she didn’t spend any time on 643 00:32:53,967 --> 00:32:56,900 she didn’t spend any time on that. and then you know. The of 644 00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:58,566 that. and then you know. The of course the roll out of 645 00:32:58,566 --> 00:32:59,700 course the roll out of broadband and all of that, I 646 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:01,499 broadband and all of that, I mean sure I mean I we all agree 647 00:33:01,499 --> 00:33:03,900 mean sure I mean I we all agree with that um, but it’s been a 648 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:05,500 with that um, but it’s been a pity that’s uh so far we 649 00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:07,167 pity that’s uh so far we haven’t have been able to do it 650 00:33:07,167 --> 00:33:08,633 haven’t have been able to do it in the rural regions right and 651 00:33:08,633 --> 00:33:11,234 in the rural regions right and it’s it’s now haunts us um uh 652 00:33:11,234 --> 00:33:12,934 it’s it’s now haunts us um uh including in this epidemic that 653 00:33:12,934 --> 00:33:15,600 including in this epidemic that we haven’t done um the roll out 654 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,366 we haven’t done um the roll out of broadband uh to the extent 655 00:33:17,366 --> 00:33:18,599 of broadband uh to the extent we we should have done and you 656 00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:20,833 we we should have done and you know that has completely let’s 657 00:33:20,833 --> 00:33:23,299 know that has completely let’s say uh to do with the way we uh 658 00:33:23,299 --> 00:33:24,234 say uh to do with the way we uh we regulate and we have to deal 659 00:33:24,234 --> 00:33:26,867 we regulate and we have to deal with. Communication companies 660 00:33:26,867 --> 00:33:30,434 with. Communication companies and it has many reasons why we 661 00:33:30,434 --> 00:33:32,799 and it has many reasons why we are there and so just sort of 662 00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:35,801 are there and so just sort of saying well we now do it. Um I 663 00:33:35,801 --> 00:33:36,900 saying well we now do it. Um I think it’s not enough to 664 00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:39,767 think it’s not enough to skeptic observe at least um so 665 00:33:39,767 --> 00:33:41,233 skeptic observe at least um so overall, yes, I think all the 666 00:33:41,233 --> 00:33:44,000 overall, yes, I think all the digital um it is right that we 667 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,567 digital um it is right that we uh we have to accelerate and uh 668 00:33:46,567 --> 00:33:47,667 uh we have to accelerate and uh I think the commission 669 00:33:47,667 --> 00:33:49,300 I think the commission president um it’s important 670 00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:50,900 president um it’s important that you reinforces that 671 00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:52,800 that you reinforces that message. I mean we we cannot 672 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,000 message. I mean we we cannot afford to um you know just. As 673 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,333 afford to um you know just. As usual on the digital side, we 674 00:33:56,333 --> 00:33:58,801 usual on the digital side, we need to go to have a step by 675 00:33:58,801 --> 00:34:02,167 need to go to have a step by step up step up our efforts 676 00:34:02,167 --> 00:34:03,733 step up step up our efforts massively boost on sort of 677 00:34:03,733 --> 00:34:05,299 massively boost on sort of cutting edge technology, but I 678 00:34:05,299 --> 00:34:07,767 cutting edge technology, but I would also say really on 679 00:34:07,767 --> 00:34:09,467 would also say really on applying existing technologies 680 00:34:09,467 --> 00:34:11,666 applying existing technologies such as machine learning 681 00:34:11,666 --> 00:34:12,299 such as machine learning algorithms, and you know, 682 00:34:12,299 --> 00:34:14,299 algorithms, and you know, turning them into commercial 683 00:34:14,299 --> 00:34:14,900 turning them into commercial opportunities. and you know 684 00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:16,299 opportunities. and you know really, that’s not just about 685 00:34:16,299 --> 00:34:18,300 really, that’s not just about regulation on the country. It’s 686 00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:20,233 regulation on the country. It’s also about investment. It’s 687 00:34:20,233 --> 00:34:22,467 also about investment. It’s about skills. It’s about uh you 688 00:34:22,467 --> 00:34:23,967 about skills. It’s about uh you know opportunities for business 689 00:34:23,967 --> 00:34:25,400 know opportunities for business to do so. and that’s why I 690 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,633 to do so. and that’s why I think we need to put the 691 00:34:26,633 --> 00:34:31,933 think we need to put the emphasis. So at least I like to 692 00:34:31,933 --> 00:34:33,500 emphasis. So at least I like to yes, very quickly, I know I 693 00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:34,734 yes, very quickly, I know I appreciate um we need to move 694 00:34:34,734 --> 00:34:36,699 appreciate um we need to move to the next topic but I just 695 00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:38,700 to the next topic but I just want to say two things on this 696 00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:41,400 want to say two things on this first of all again with from 697 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,666 first of all again with from another planet. as you said, 698 00:34:42,666 --> 00:34:46,367 another planet. as you said, you know Asia dark by now what 699 00:34:46,367 --> 00:34:47,833 you know Asia dark by now what if I read you the sentence, we 700 00:34:47,833 --> 00:34:50,233 if I read you the sentence, we need a plan for digital Europe 701 00:34:50,233 --> 00:34:52,633 need a plan for digital Europe with clearly defined goals for 702 00:34:52,633 --> 00:34:54,833 with clearly defined goals for 2030 such as for connectivity 703 00:34:54,833 --> 00:34:56,966 2030 such as for connectivity skills and digital public 704 00:34:56,966 --> 00:35:00,866 skills and digital public services. So what have we? 705 00:35:29,233 --> 00:35:31,934 We we we should find a way for 706 00:35:31,934 --> 00:35:33,400 We we we should find a way for you to lead since we have the 707 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,100 you to lead since we have the industry well first of all the 708 00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:36,734 industry well first of all the fact that we have the industry 709 00:35:36,734 --> 00:35:38,833 fact that we have the industry that’s not insure we will have 710 00:35:38,833 --> 00:35:40,633 that’s not insure we will have we will be leading a digital 711 00:35:40,633 --> 00:35:42,866 we will be leading a digital services digital in general for 712 00:35:42,866 --> 00:35:44,266 services digital in general for the industry and second. 713 00:35:44,266 --> 00:35:46,000 the industry and second. there’s no nothing in the whole 714 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,266 there’s no nothing in the whole thing, which kind of leads the 715 00:35:48,266 --> 00:35:49,866 thing, which kind of leads the way to how we’re going to do 716 00:35:49,866 --> 00:35:53,499 way to how we’re going to do this so in a way it sounds very 717 00:35:53,499 --> 00:35:57,099 this so in a way it sounds very uh. worrisome to me that that 718 00:35:57,099 --> 00:35:57,966 uh. worrisome to me that that we’re still at this point uh 719 00:35:57,966 --> 00:36:01,667 we’re still at this point uh let alone of. The actual you 720 00:36:01,667 --> 00:36:03,367 let alone of. The actual you know correlation of creating 721 00:36:03,367 --> 00:36:05,000 know correlation of creating the technology ourselves, but 722 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,234 the technology ourselves, but even on the on the on the roll 723 00:36:08,234 --> 00:36:10,734 even on the on the on the roll out of the of the technology I 724 00:36:10,734 --> 00:36:12,466 out of the of the technology I worry given what I just read 725 00:36:12,466 --> 00:36:14,767 worry given what I just read that it sounds like it’s new to 726 00:36:14,767 --> 00:36:16,300 that it sounds like it’s new to us. and of course it shouldn’t 727 00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:18,800 us. and of course it shouldn’t be new to us so that so it does 728 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,667 be new to us so that so it does to me as compared to green 729 00:36:20,667 --> 00:36:22,734 to me as compared to green going back to your question for 730 00:36:22,734 --> 00:36:24,467 going back to your question for digital if that sound a little 731 00:36:24,467 --> 00:36:25,801 digital if that sound a little bit desperate, I mean we not 732 00:36:25,801 --> 00:36:27,533 bit desperate, I mean we not only do we need to act fast is 733 00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:29,367 only do we need to act fast is that we’re not sure which way 734 00:36:29,367 --> 00:36:31,666 that we’re not sure which way to go because. Yet have, 735 00:36:31,666 --> 00:36:33,933 to go because. Yet have, according to what I just read 736 00:36:33,933 --> 00:36:37,966 according to what I just read strategy. And on these notes, 737 00:36:37,966 --> 00:36:40,266 strategy. And on these notes, uh I mean uh II would like to 738 00:36:40,266 --> 00:36:41,667 uh I mean uh II would like to point out the link exactly on 739 00:36:41,667 --> 00:36:43,867 point out the link exactly on what you’re saying at least 740 00:36:43,867 --> 00:36:45,333 what you’re saying at least about the global the global 741 00:36:45,333 --> 00:36:46,934 about the global the global scene, you know, which is 742 00:36:46,934 --> 00:36:48,533 scene, you know, which is highlighted by uh by uh exactly 743 00:36:48,533 --> 00:36:50,400 highlighted by uh by uh exactly this reflection that you just 744 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,300 this reflection that you just made with the the geopolitical 745 00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:54,967 made with the the geopolitical thing that that was uh touched 746 00:36:54,967 --> 00:36:57,333 thing that that was uh touched in in the speech because it’s 747 00:36:57,333 --> 00:36:58,834 in in the speech because it’s all interconnected. of course, 748 00:36:58,834 --> 00:37:01,267 all interconnected. of course, I mean like this treats the the 749 00:37:01,267 --> 00:37:05,133 I mean like this treats the the green stuff the digital uh uh 750 00:37:05,133 --> 00:37:12,301 green stuff the digital uh uh uh. That part and how Europe is 751 00:37:12,301 --> 00:37:14,367 uh. That part and how Europe is presented in this related to 752 00:37:14,367 --> 00:37:17,400 presented in this related to the rest of uh of the world. Uh 753 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,900 the rest of uh of the world. Uh it’s all it’s all connected of 754 00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:22,234 it’s all it’s all connected of course and um, specially 755 00:37:22,234 --> 00:37:24,367 course and um, specially looking at you because it was a 756 00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:27,833 looking at you because it was a strong statement. uh about 757 00:37:27,833 --> 00:37:30,967 strong statement. uh about China in in the speech uh just 758 00:37:30,967 --> 00:37:34,234 China in in the speech uh just following the the recent you 759 00:37:34,234 --> 00:37:36,133 following the the recent you China leader Summit of earlier 760 00:37:36,133 --> 00:37:39,801 China leader Summit of earlier this week it almost. Like a 761 00:37:39,801 --> 00:37:40,933 this week it almost. Like a continuation of the press 762 00:37:40,933 --> 00:37:43,299 continuation of the press conference that was uh uh 763 00:37:43,299 --> 00:37:45,933 conference that was uh uh delivered after the meeting if 764 00:37:45,933 --> 00:37:47,967 delivered after the meeting if a few days ago to me in order 765 00:37:47,967 --> 00:37:51,266 a few days ago to me in order to reiterate a certain position 766 00:37:51,266 --> 00:37:54,299 to reiterate a certain position like uh uh respond to the 767 00:37:54,299 --> 00:37:56,800 like uh uh respond to the debates that that was going on 768 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,267 debates that that was going on after this meeting also in the 769 00:37:59,267 --> 00:38:01,833 after this meeting also in the press and uh in the political 770 00:38:01,833 --> 00:38:03,201 press and uh in the political circles. So what do we make out 771 00:38:03,201 --> 00:38:04,933 circles. So what do we make out of uh of that part? Uh I would 772 00:38:04,933 --> 00:38:06,566 of uh of that part? Uh I would like to start with you, Alicia 773 00:38:06,566 --> 00:38:09,333 like to start with you, Alicia and the view. What she say 774 00:38:09,333 --> 00:38:10,666 and the view. What she say about China and then go a 775 00:38:10,666 --> 00:38:11,933 about China and then go a little bit further because, of 776 00:38:11,933 --> 00:38:13,300 little bit further because, of course she touched up on 777 00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:15,433 course she touched up on relations with the rest of the 778 00:38:15,433 --> 00:38:18,434 relations with the rest of the world and the US and Brexit and 779 00:38:18,434 --> 00:38:22,200 world and the US and Brexit and and so on so thanks um I read 780 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,767 and so on so thanks um I read the China part with great 781 00:38:23,767 --> 00:38:24,834 the China part with great interest because you know the 782 00:38:24,834 --> 00:38:26,767 interest because you know the the summit had just ended and I 783 00:38:26,767 --> 00:38:28,700 the summit had just ended and I just wanted to see how she was 784 00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:30,433 just wanted to see how she was reflecting on the result of the 785 00:38:30,433 --> 00:38:32,667 reflecting on the result of the summit, which was as you all 786 00:38:32,667 --> 00:38:35,700 summit, which was as you all know rather uh me uh to say the 787 00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:37,733 know rather uh me uh to say the least in terms of any decision 788 00:38:37,733 --> 00:38:40,801 least in terms of any decision whatsoever and I think. Would 789 00:38:40,801 --> 00:38:42,400 whatsoever and I think. Would highlight first of all is the 790 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,000 highlight first of all is the you know the she did repeat the 791 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,833 you know the she did repeat the idea of a partner at a 792 00:38:47,833 --> 00:38:50,299 idea of a partner at a competitor and and you know to 793 00:38:50,299 --> 00:38:51,967 competitor and and you know to towards rather than one uh for 794 00:38:51,967 --> 00:38:54,600 towards rather than one uh for for the more negative aspect of 795 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,266 for the more negative aspect of it and then it actually rather 796 00:38:57,266 --> 00:38:59,500 it and then it actually rather than highlighting first the 797 00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:00,999 than highlighting first the lack of market access and 798 00:39:00,999 --> 00:39:02,267 lack of market access and everything that relates to the 799 00:39:02,267 --> 00:39:04,799 everything that relates to the ongoing negotiation with the um 800 00:39:04,799 --> 00:39:06,733 ongoing negotiation with the um comprehensive agreement on 801 00:39:06,733 --> 00:39:09,700 comprehensive agreement on investment she started by the 802 00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:11,100 investment she started by the fact that China has not lifted 803 00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:14,299 fact that China has not lifted up. The to the commitments and 804 00:39:14,299 --> 00:39:17,201 up. The to the commitments and on on the Paris agreement so 805 00:39:17,201 --> 00:39:19,299 on on the Paris agreement so green first basically which to 806 00:39:19,299 --> 00:39:21,267 green first basically which to me and and not a word on on on 807 00:39:21,267 --> 00:39:23,434 me and and not a word on on on the ongoing positions, which to 808 00:39:23,434 --> 00:39:25,433 the ongoing positions, which to me to me, it sounds like you 809 00:39:25,433 --> 00:39:27,301 me to me, it sounds like you know this is this is not going 810 00:39:27,301 --> 00:39:28,033 know this is this is not going to happen by the end of the day 811 00:39:28,033 --> 00:39:30,233 to happen by the end of the day of the year, which is what 812 00:39:30,233 --> 00:39:34,400 of the year, which is what President Xi uh um insisted 813 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,533 President Xi uh um insisted upon or during that summit. so 814 00:39:39,533 --> 00:39:42,533 upon or during that summit. so green as uh and and and 815 00:39:42,533 --> 00:39:45,934 green as uh and and and invisible. Um a force for 816 00:39:45,934 --> 00:39:47,166 invisible. Um a force for cooperation with China, I mean 817 00:39:47,166 --> 00:39:48,966 cooperation with China, I mean if we don’t cooperate ingrain, 818 00:39:48,966 --> 00:39:50,800 if we don’t cooperate ingrain, we won’t cooperate on anything 819 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,200 we won’t cooperate on anything else because it’s so necessary 820 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,700 else because it’s so necessary for everybody in this on this 821 00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:56,333 for everybody in this on this planet. So that’s one and then 822 00:39:56,333 --> 00:39:59,366 planet. So that’s one and then on um on this very sore knee 823 00:39:59,366 --> 00:40:00,667 on um on this very sore knee issues of Hong Kong and the US, 824 00:40:00,667 --> 00:40:03,333 issues of Hong Kong and the US, which both are mentioned in the 825 00:40:03,333 --> 00:40:05,867 which both are mentioned in the speech. I think that the very 826 00:40:05,867 --> 00:40:08,500 speech. I think that the very important sentence to me is 827 00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:10,800 important sentence to me is that she basically argues that 828 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,333 that she basically argues that not that we are. Our hands are 829 00:40:14,333 --> 00:40:20,633 not that we are. Our hands are are tied because of our um our 830 00:40:20,633 --> 00:40:22,633 are tied because of our um our unanimity eh uh the 831 00:40:22,633 --> 00:40:24,267 unanimity eh uh the decision-making process so she 832 00:40:24,267 --> 00:40:27,233 decision-making process so she basically says that we 833 00:40:27,233 --> 00:40:28,433 basically says that we absolutely need to move to 834 00:40:28,433 --> 00:40:29,933 absolutely need to move to qualify majority vote and I 835 00:40:29,933 --> 00:40:31,234 qualify majority vote and I think that’s very important 836 00:40:31,234 --> 00:40:34,400 think that’s very important because she’s the the reason 837 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,733 because she’s the the reason why she says that it’s really 838 00:40:36,733 --> 00:40:40,266 why she says that it’s really China and they shared values 839 00:40:40,266 --> 00:40:41,966 China and they shared values that we all have uh that can’t 840 00:40:41,966 --> 00:40:45,800 that we all have uh that can’t be translated into. Or 841 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,667 be translated into. Or statements even um because of 842 00:40:48,667 --> 00:40:50,800 statements even um because of you know the the the lack of 843 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,201 you know the the the lack of agreement of all of the parts 844 00:40:53,201 --> 00:40:54,900 agreement of all of the parts are all of the European member 845 00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:56,234 are all of the European member states. So I think that’s quite 846 00:40:56,234 --> 00:40:57,766 states. So I think that’s quite something if you ask me if this 847 00:40:57,766 --> 00:40:59,966 something if you ask me if this was probably the part, I like 848 00:40:59,966 --> 00:41:01,267 was probably the part, I like the most because it does show 849 00:41:01,267 --> 00:41:03,200 the most because it does show the spare about how far we can 850 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,267 the spare about how far we can go with with with with our 851 00:41:05,267 --> 00:41:07,967 go with with with with our current uh institutional 852 00:41:07,967 --> 00:41:10,133 current uh institutional framework I see both uh Andrea 853 00:41:10,133 --> 00:41:12,367 framework I see both uh Andrea and go from uh uh a few which 854 00:41:12,367 --> 00:41:15,600 and go from uh uh a few which is uh. Which Is promising sign 855 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,699 is uh. Which Is promising sign of some comments to follow who 856 00:41:18,699 --> 00:41:21,600 of some comments to follow who wants to follow up on on 857 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,267 wants to follow up on on Alicia. Well, I mean uh so I 858 00:41:25,267 --> 00:41:26,667 Alicia. Well, I mean uh so I say one or two words, I mean I 859 00:41:26,667 --> 00:41:29,367 say one or two words, I mean I think Alicia really um II very 860 00:41:29,367 --> 00:41:30,933 think Alicia really um II very much agree with what Alicia 861 00:41:30,933 --> 00:41:32,400 much agree with what Alicia said, which is, which is not 862 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,833 said, which is, which is not good for podcast. but I think 863 00:41:34,833 --> 00:41:37,333 good for podcast. but I think uh I think really um the finger 864 00:41:37,333 --> 00:41:39,234 uh I think really um the finger uh is exactly at the right 865 00:41:39,234 --> 00:41:43,066 uh is exactly at the right point. I was also struck by um 866 00:41:43,066 --> 00:41:47,000 point. I was also struck by um uh you know the. 867 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,800 Prevent them from entering uh 868 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,834 Prevent them from entering uh European uh I mean US territory 869 00:42:19,834 --> 00:42:22,000 European uh I mean US territory and so do you Europe doesn’t 870 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,199 and so do you Europe doesn’t have that at the moment and the 871 00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:24,933 have that at the moment and the statement that we want to 872 00:42:24,933 --> 00:42:27,299 statement that we want to introduce it uh it is a big 873 00:42:27,299 --> 00:42:30,600 introduce it uh it is a big step um and um I sort of 874 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,600 step um and um I sort of started asking around some 875 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,367 started asking around some lawyers and you know some tell 876 00:42:34,367 --> 00:42:36,000 lawyers and you know some tell me that it might even be 877 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,033 me that it might even be feasible to get something like 878 00:42:38,033 --> 00:42:40,666 feasible to get something like this um uh based on qualified 879 00:42:40,666 --> 00:42:41,967 this um uh based on qualified majority voting. so, in other 880 00:42:41,967 --> 00:42:45,300 majority voting. so, in other words, once it’s through. Uh a 881 00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:47,334 words, once it’s through. Uh a qualified majority vote could 882 00:42:47,334 --> 00:42:49,300 qualified majority vote could actually be there to uh sign 883 00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:53,199 actually be there to uh sign out individuals and um uh or 884 00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:55,233 out individuals and um uh or groups of individuals and 885 00:42:55,233 --> 00:42:56,000 groups of individuals and actually impose and sanction 886 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,534 actually impose and sanction them for their human rights 887 00:42:57,534 --> 00:42:59,333 them for their human rights abuses. and so that’s a major 888 00:42:59,333 --> 00:43:02,167 abuses. and so that’s a major new instrument if it was to go 889 00:43:02,167 --> 00:43:04,133 new instrument if it was to go through a major new policy uh 890 00:43:04,133 --> 00:43:06,467 through a major new policy uh foreign policy instrument uh 891 00:43:06,467 --> 00:43:07,967 foreign policy instrument uh for the European Union and it 892 00:43:07,967 --> 00:43:09,401 for the European Union and it shows that you know the 893 00:43:09,401 --> 00:43:11,867 shows that you know the European Union wants to be um 894 00:43:11,867 --> 00:43:14,433 European Union wants to be um uh a geopolitical actor and so 895 00:43:14,433 --> 00:43:16,499 uh a geopolitical actor and so that sense. I think there it’s 896 00:43:16,499 --> 00:43:17,867 that sense. I think there it’s really quite a strong a strong 897 00:43:17,867 --> 00:43:21,867 really quite a strong a strong push. It um but again, I think, 898 00:43:21,867 --> 00:43:25,233 push. It um but again, I think, as Alicia said, um uh on the 899 00:43:25,233 --> 00:43:26,467 as Alicia said, um uh on the economic front, which is more 900 00:43:26,467 --> 00:43:28,667 economic front, which is more sort of our our expertise, I 901 00:43:28,667 --> 00:43:30,633 sort of our our expertise, I think basically what the 902 00:43:30,633 --> 00:43:34,500 think basically what the speeches we would get um uh a 903 00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:35,766 speeches we would get um uh a trade and investment agreement 904 00:43:35,766 --> 00:43:38,133 trade and investment agreement with China anytime soon, and I 905 00:43:38,133 --> 00:43:39,966 with China anytime soon, and I think she also mentioned um and 906 00:43:39,966 --> 00:43:42,467 think she also mentioned um and I thought that was also 907 00:43:42,467 --> 00:43:44,400 I thought that was also important um uh the ongoing 908 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,867 important um uh the ongoing process um in Europe to 909 00:43:46,867 --> 00:43:49,266 process um in Europe to strengths our economic 910 00:43:49,266 --> 00:43:51,434 strengths our economic instruments to protect our 911 00:43:51,434 --> 00:43:53,700 instruments to protect our markets um uh and ensure. 912 00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:56,367 markets um uh and ensure. Playing fear, there’s a big 913 00:43:56,367 --> 00:43:59,133 Playing fear, there’s a big white paper by the competition 914 00:43:59,133 --> 00:44:00,266 white paper by the competition Policy Authority in Europe, and 915 00:44:00,266 --> 00:44:02,699 Policy Authority in Europe, and I think that that instrument is 916 00:44:02,699 --> 00:44:04,299 I think that that instrument is an important instrument um in 917 00:44:04,299 --> 00:44:06,900 an important instrument um in our negotiations also visa 918 00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:09,633 our negotiations also visa China um but overall, I think 919 00:44:09,633 --> 00:44:12,467 China um but overall, I think um I think quite quite a 920 00:44:12,467 --> 00:44:13,734 um I think quite quite a consistent message and 921 00:44:13,734 --> 00:44:17,467 consistent message and certainly much more on the uh 922 00:44:17,467 --> 00:44:19,267 certainly much more on the uh competition rival site then on 923 00:44:19,267 --> 00:44:21,766 competition rival site then on the corporation side of China, 924 00:44:21,766 --> 00:44:24,633 the corporation side of China, I would say. Like to ask Andre 925 00:44:24,633 --> 00:44:26,800 I would say. Like to ask Andre going moving from China, let’s 926 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,800 going moving from China, let’s see really feels the urge to 927 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,299 see really feels the urge to add something on the debate on 928 00:44:31,299 --> 00:44:33,801 add something on the debate on China, of course, uh and the 929 00:44:33,801 --> 00:44:36,333 China, of course, uh and the but uh I would like to uh to 930 00:44:36,333 --> 00:44:37,800 but uh I would like to uh to follow up. also on the other 931 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,366 follow up. also on the other side of the world and uh her 932 00:44:40,366 --> 00:44:43,733 side of the world and uh her reference to the US and and the 933 00:44:43,733 --> 00:44:45,734 reference to the US and and the the you you know this kind of 934 00:44:45,734 --> 00:44:48,933 the you you know this kind of uh declaration of uh Atlantis, 935 00:44:48,933 --> 00:44:51,300 uh declaration of uh Atlantis, which uh which came out of a 936 00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:52,899 which uh which came out of a pretty straightforward and 937 00:44:52,899 --> 00:44:54,867 pretty straightforward and explicit, not so much as a 938 00:44:54,867 --> 00:44:55,500 explicit, not so much as a surprise. But I think that what 939 00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:57,399 surprise. But I think that what was the strong signal there was 940 00:44:57,399 --> 00:45:00,400 was the strong signal there was saying no matter. Going to sit 941 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,733 saying no matter. Going to sit in the White House uh there is 942 00:45:02,733 --> 00:45:04,167 in the White House uh there is uh new beginnings with old 943 00:45:04,167 --> 00:45:06,800 uh new beginnings with old friends that needs to be 944 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:07,833 friends that needs to be revealed. That’s that’s where 945 00:45:07,833 --> 00:45:10,467 revealed. That’s that’s where my own words. Uh what uh what 946 00:45:10,467 --> 00:45:11,967 my own words. Uh what uh what do we make out of this uh also 947 00:45:11,967 --> 00:45:14,900 do we make out of this uh also in this context that we are 948 00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:16,434 in this context that we are discussing here. Okay, let me 949 00:45:16,434 --> 00:45:18,299 discussing here. Okay, let me make two points, one or more 950 00:45:18,299 --> 00:45:19,700 make two points, one or more general and one specific on 951 00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:20,467 general and one specific on what you just said that the 952 00:45:20,467 --> 00:45:23,767 what you just said that the general is that I thought that 953 00:45:23,767 --> 00:45:26,267 general is that I thought that this book uh in a sense 954 00:45:26,267 --> 00:45:27,800 this book uh in a sense naturally, this part, you know 955 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,967 naturally, this part, you know the geopolitical part uh 956 00:45:29,967 --> 00:45:33,034 the geopolitical part uh Europe. 957 00:45:33,266 --> 00:45:35,734 Europe and the world um was the 958 00:45:35,734 --> 00:45:38,200 Europe and the world um was the more presidential one the one 959 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,500 more presidential one the one that fitted the best out of the 960 00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:42,334 that fitted the best out of the presidential style in a sense 961 00:45:42,334 --> 00:45:43,767 presidential style in a sense when you start getting into the 962 00:45:43,767 --> 00:45:45,167 when you start getting into the nitty-gritty of the green 963 00:45:45,167 --> 00:45:46,899 nitty-gritty of the green strategy of the digital, then 964 00:45:46,899 --> 00:45:49,300 strategy of the digital, then like my two colleagues, you 965 00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:51,767 like my two colleagues, you know you feel uh a little bit 966 00:45:51,767 --> 00:45:54,566 know you feel uh a little bit uh you know one thing for more 967 00:45:54,566 --> 00:45:56,766 uh you know one thing for more details too much or too little, 968 00:45:56,766 --> 00:45:58,200 details too much or too little, and this is said to me was 969 00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,499 and this is said to me was right, but you know you you 970 00:45:59,499 --> 00:46:02,633 right, but you know you you cancel. 971 00:46:32,734 --> 00:46:35,733 Yeah the crisis uh quite well 972 00:46:35,733 --> 00:46:38,300 Yeah the crisis uh quite well uh and uh you know, yes we have 973 00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:40,000 uh and uh you know, yes we have uh we are going through 974 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,299 uh we are going through together and she said and uh 975 00:46:43,299 --> 00:46:46,299 together and she said and uh you know we are partners to to 976 00:46:46,299 --> 00:46:48,733 you know we are partners to to to to the world and uh but 977 00:46:48,733 --> 00:46:49,400 to to the world and uh but there are problems you know the 978 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,700 there are problems you know the world out there she said the 979 00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:54,333 world out there she said the fragile world and uh we have 980 00:46:54,333 --> 00:46:56,100 fragile world and uh we have our values at the countries 981 00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,333 our values at the countries have different values. Uh we 982 00:46:58,333 --> 00:47:01,333 have different values. Uh we have uh some uh difficult 983 00:47:01,333 --> 00:47:02,299 have uh some uh difficult neighbors and you know she 984 00:47:02,299 --> 00:47:04,667 neighbors and you know she names names and she talks about 985 00:47:04,667 --> 00:47:05,533 names names and she talks about Turkey she talks about Greece 986 00:47:05,533 --> 00:47:07,801 Turkey she talks about Greece and she talks about the UK. 987 00:47:07,801 --> 00:47:09,700 and she talks about the UK. Island I mean she she doesn’t 988 00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:11,800 Island I mean she she doesn’t you know, put it the punches 989 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,333 you know, put it the punches and then yes the China is you 990 00:47:14,333 --> 00:47:15,900 and then yes the China is you and the United States on the 991 00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:17,500 and the United States on the United States. We are just 992 00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:19,300 United States. We are just before the election. so I think 993 00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:21,266 before the election. so I think in a sense it’s normal that she 994 00:47:21,266 --> 00:47:22,733 in a sense it’s normal that she couldn’t say much except that 995 00:47:22,733 --> 00:47:26,167 couldn’t say much except that you know we have close ties 996 00:47:26,167 --> 00:47:27,700 you know we have close ties transatlantic guys. That’s what 997 00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:28,667 transatlantic guys. That’s what she she doesn’t never use the 998 00:47:28,667 --> 00:47:31,266 she she doesn’t never use the word United states she took 999 00:47:31,266 --> 00:47:32,933 word United states she took what transatlantic and uh I 1000 00:47:32,933 --> 00:47:34,600 what transatlantic and uh I think that was again right, so 1001 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:35,534 think that was again right, so she reaffirmed the fact that 1002 00:47:35,534 --> 00:47:39,333 she reaffirmed the fact that you know we have. Close ties 1003 00:47:39,333 --> 00:47:41,300 you know we have. Close ties with the United and she doesn’t 1004 00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:43,233 with the United and she doesn’t speak of Nato, but you know uh 1005 00:47:43,233 --> 00:47:44,567 speak of Nato, but you know uh that is in the in the septic 1006 00:47:44,567 --> 00:47:46,633 that is in the in the septic and I think that that is right 1007 00:47:46,633 --> 00:47:48,567 and I think that that is right and that we are all in a sense 1008 00:47:48,567 --> 00:47:50,133 and that we are all in a sense of waiting for what’s going to 1009 00:47:50,133 --> 00:47:53,900 of waiting for what’s going to happen. uh in the in the uh in 1010 00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:55,367 happen. uh in the in the uh in the US election, so I thought 1011 00:47:55,367 --> 00:48:00,167 the US election, so I thought that part in a sense is uh is 1012 00:48:00,167 --> 00:48:02,800 that part in a sense is uh is is the most presidential part 1013 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,366 is the most presidential part and a nice part and uh I think 1014 00:48:05,366 --> 00:48:08,334 and a nice part and uh I think uh it showed that she was right 1015 00:48:08,334 --> 00:48:11,167 uh it showed that she was right uh and of course. To to the to 1016 00:48:11,167 --> 00:48:13,966 uh and of course. To to the to the issues of the day to want 1017 00:48:13,966 --> 00:48:15,367 the issues of the day to want to put your politics at the 1018 00:48:15,367 --> 00:48:18,699 to put your politics at the center of of a mandate because 1019 00:48:18,699 --> 00:48:21,800 center of of a mandate because you know it is indeed a fragile 1020 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,800 you know it is indeed a fragile fragile world and that is a lot 1021 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,600 fragile world and that is a lot of implications for Europe um 1022 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,267 of implications for Europe um within our midst and for our 1023 00:48:29,267 --> 00:48:29,900 within our midst and for our relationship with the with 1024 00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:32,233 relationship with the with other parts of the world, be 1025 00:48:32,233 --> 00:48:35,100 other parts of the world, be the very close geographically 1026 00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:40,133 the very close geographically of the very far. so I think uh 1027 00:48:40,133 --> 00:48:42,766 of the very far. so I think uh good good good good messages 1028 00:48:42,766 --> 00:48:47,933 good good good good messages there and uh yes a complicated. 1029 00:49:15,367 --> 00:49:17,933 But I think it was of course a 1030 00:49:17,933 --> 00:49:20,867 But I think it was of course a very strong message um that um 1031 00:49:20,867 --> 00:49:22,701 very strong message um that um the withdrawal agreement that 1032 00:49:22,701 --> 00:49:24,900 the withdrawal agreement that was signed um uh is applicable 1033 00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:27,266 was signed um uh is applicable international law and you know 1034 00:49:27,266 --> 00:49:29,967 international law and you know unilaterally going back on that 1035 00:49:29,967 --> 00:49:32,434 unilaterally going back on that one actually makes it 1036 00:49:32,434 --> 00:49:34,733 one actually makes it impossible for um for for the 1037 00:49:34,733 --> 00:49:36,400 impossible for um for for the you to negotiate much further 1038 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,066 you to negotiate much further with the UK and I think this is 1039 00:49:38,066 --> 00:49:40,434 with the UK and I think this is a real I mean it is a real 1040 00:49:40,434 --> 00:49:43,067 a real I mean it is a real issue and um it’s a very issue 1041 00:49:43,067 --> 00:49:44,400 issue and um it’s a very issue and I think she’ll be nicely 1042 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,133 and I think she’ll be nicely also mentions the fact that you 1043 00:49:46,133 --> 00:49:49,200 also mentions the fact that you know. 1044 00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:26,300 We’re asking the turkey um I 1045 00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:27,666 We’re asking the turkey um I mean it’s it’s reflecting on 1046 00:50:27,666 --> 00:50:29,133 mean it’s it’s reflecting on the fact that jerky was also 1047 00:50:29,133 --> 00:50:31,666 the fact that jerky was also specifically mentioned and as 1048 00:50:31,666 --> 00:50:34,600 specifically mentioned and as asking if this still a credible 1049 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,300 asking if this still a credible future member to the U now this 1050 00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:41,401 future member to the U now this uh uh. goes even beyond the 1051 00:50:41,401 --> 00:50:42,600 uh uh. goes even beyond the scope of this podcast because 1052 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,733 scope of this podcast because we could could have a full a 1053 00:50:44,733 --> 00:50:46,600 we could could have a full a full symposium about uh about 1054 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,266 full symposium about uh about the issue that maybe if we can 1055 00:50:49,266 --> 00:50:51,767 the issue that maybe if we can uh reply to our listener at 1056 00:50:51,767 --> 00:50:54,134 uh reply to our listener at least on uh on what kind of 1057 00:50:54,134 --> 00:50:57,266 least on uh on what kind of remarks um the president did. 1058 00:50:57,266 --> 00:50:59,133 remarks um the president did. On on that uh on that specific 1059 00:50:59,133 --> 00:51:02,300 On on that uh on that specific topic. 1060 00:51:03,767 --> 00:51:07,233 Let me say let me say a word so 1061 00:51:07,233 --> 00:51:09,467 Let me say let me say a word so she uh mentioned the word 1062 00:51:09,467 --> 00:51:13,300 she uh mentioned the word thirty or Turkish three times 1063 00:51:13,300 --> 00:51:15,333 thirty or Turkish three times greets a couple of times so it 1064 00:51:15,333 --> 00:51:17,400 greets a couple of times so it was clearly an important issue 1065 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,733 was clearly an important issue that she want to flag there and 1066 00:51:19,733 --> 00:51:21,333 that she want to flag there and I think she’s right uh to do 1067 00:51:21,333 --> 00:51:23,334 I think she’s right uh to do that. I think Europe is is 1068 00:51:23,334 --> 00:51:25,300 that. I think Europe is is right to do this. I think our 1069 00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:27,533 right to do this. I think our relationship with the Turkey is 1070 00:51:27,533 --> 00:51:29,367 relationship with the Turkey is a very important relationship 1071 00:51:29,367 --> 00:51:31,799 a very important relationship um I don’t want to get into the 1072 00:51:31,799 --> 00:51:33,234 um I don’t want to get into the details and nobody of our 1073 00:51:33,234 --> 00:51:35,067 details and nobody of our listeners. cares. you know what 1074 00:51:35,067 --> 00:51:35,966 listeners. cares. you know what is my view about what the 1075 00:51:35,966 --> 00:51:39,467 is my view about what the turkey should. 1076 00:52:40,833 --> 00:52:43,299 To to design a relationship uh 1077 00:52:43,299 --> 00:52:45,066 To to design a relationship uh that is suitable for countries 1078 00:52:45,066 --> 00:52:47,400 that is suitable for countries that are you know one has just 1079 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,233 that are you know one has just left you. The other one is an 1080 00:52:50,233 --> 00:52:51,467 left you. The other one is an applicant to the EU, but you 1081 00:52:51,467 --> 00:52:54,434 applicant to the EU, but you know with the complicate that 1082 00:52:54,434 --> 00:52:56,734 know with the complicate that the relationship and you know 1083 00:52:56,734 --> 00:52:59,366 the relationship and you know we we can’t escape geography 1084 00:52:59,366 --> 00:53:01,733 we we can’t escape geography our history and the importance 1085 00:53:01,733 --> 00:53:03,400 our history and the importance of those two. I mean, perhaps 1086 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,333 of those two. I mean, perhaps if I can add to what I just 1087 00:53:06,333 --> 00:53:08,833 if I can add to what I just said, I think I mean my reading 1088 00:53:08,833 --> 00:53:10,533 said, I think I mean my reading of um of her take on the 1089 00:53:10,533 --> 00:53:13,967 of um of her take on the neighborhood. It’s also um and 1090 00:53:13,967 --> 00:53:16,900 neighborhood. It’s also um and you know being the UK but also 1091 00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:19,533 you know being the UK but also being Bella being uh Russia, 1092 00:53:19,533 --> 00:53:21,867 being Bella being uh Russia, but then also Turkey. I think 1093 00:53:21,867 --> 00:53:24,266 but then also Turkey. I think the message is really one on 1094 00:53:24,266 --> 00:53:27,167 the message is really one on the first of all. um we insist 1095 00:53:27,167 --> 00:53:30,000 the first of all. um we insist on you know um our sovereignty 1096 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,600 on you know um our sovereignty and our integrity and we are 1097 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,967 and our integrity and we are fully behind all of our members 1098 00:53:33,967 --> 00:53:36,533 fully behind all of our members of the US so strong message of 1099 00:53:36,533 --> 00:53:39,400 of the US so strong message of support to Greece and Cyprus uh 1100 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,334 support to Greece and Cyprus uh but also. In the Irish case, a 1101 00:53:43,334 --> 00:53:44,834 but also. In the Irish case, a strong supporter on Ireland, I 1102 00:53:44,834 --> 00:53:46,600 strong supporter on Ireland, I think that’s clearly the EU 1103 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,834 think that’s clearly the EU policy first and foremost. It’s 1104 00:53:48,834 --> 00:53:50,767 policy first and foremost. It’s about you know protecting the 1105 00:53:50,767 --> 00:53:52,666 about you know protecting the EU and protecting all of our 1106 00:53:52,666 --> 00:53:54,367 EU and protecting all of our member states fully, but then 1107 00:53:54,367 --> 00:53:56,734 member states fully, but then the message is well. I mean uh 1108 00:53:56,734 --> 00:53:58,334 the message is well. I mean uh yes, we want a relation, but we 1109 00:53:58,334 --> 00:54:00,867 yes, we want a relation, but we want a relationship based on 1110 00:54:00,867 --> 00:54:04,300 want a relationship based on good faith and respect of words 1111 00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:05,699 good faith and respect of words um and respect of international 1112 00:54:05,699 --> 00:54:06,300 um and respect of international treaties. I mean that’s 1113 00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:08,566 treaties. I mean that’s basically the message and um 1114 00:54:08,566 --> 00:54:12,834 basically the message and um and in Turkey. Peace Let’s 1115 00:54:12,834 --> 00:54:15,533 and in Turkey. Peace Let’s deescalate right and uh and you 1116 00:54:15,533 --> 00:54:16,867 deescalate right and uh and you know she welcomes the recent 1117 00:54:16,867 --> 00:54:19,300 know she welcomes the recent steps of pulling back the 1118 00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:21,967 steps of pulling back the expiration um that Turkey uh 1119 00:54:21,967 --> 00:54:23,267 expiration um that Turkey uh did back to the harbor of I 1120 00:54:23,267 --> 00:54:25,799 did back to the harbor of I think so I think that’s that’s 1121 00:54:25,799 --> 00:54:26,367 think so I think that’s that’s certainly a positive step, but 1122 00:54:26,367 --> 00:54:28,701 certainly a positive step, but I mean there’s there can be no 1123 00:54:28,701 --> 00:54:30,167 I mean there’s there can be no question about it that you 1124 00:54:30,167 --> 00:54:31,934 question about it that you stands fully behind all member 1125 00:54:31,934 --> 00:54:34,334 stands fully behind all member states in protecting um the 1126 00:54:34,334 --> 00:54:35,700 states in protecting um the their rights and their 1127 00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:37,767 their rights and their sovereignty and our shared 1128 00:54:37,767 --> 00:54:40,700 sovereignty and our shared sovereignty. Really I. Wanted 1129 00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:42,500 sovereignty. Really I. Wanted to take a couple of more 1130 00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:44,700 to take a couple of more questions before we close but 1131 00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:47,400 questions before we close but very quickly one is perhaps we 1132 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,467 very quickly one is perhaps we don’t have the answers but this 1133 00:54:49,467 --> 00:54:50,500 don’t have the answers but this interesting to put it forward 1134 00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:51,967 interesting to put it forward because it’s one of the issues 1135 00:54:51,967 --> 00:54:54,333 because it’s one of the issues we haven’t really discussed 1136 00:54:54,333 --> 00:54:56,699 we haven’t really discussed during our discussions so far 1137 00:54:56,699 --> 00:55:00,967 during our discussions so far uh it’s from Alan Franco from 1138 00:55:00,967 --> 00:55:04,800 uh it’s from Alan Franco from the radio and television from 1139 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,367 the radio and television from Switzerland. Uh he’s mentioning 1140 00:55:06,367 --> 00:55:08,600 Switzerland. Uh he’s mentioning the fact that uh the president 1141 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:13,067 the fact that uh the president uh um say something about. 1142 00:55:34,733 --> 00:55:36,167 I personally had no more 1143 00:55:36,167 --> 00:55:38,267 I personally had no more information than what she 1144 00:55:38,267 --> 00:55:40,200 information than what she mentioned in the speech I guess 1145 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,733 mentioned in the speech I guess I see from from your faces you 1146 00:55:42,733 --> 00:55:44,367 I see from from your faces you don’t know either, but I 1147 00:55:44,367 --> 00:55:46,867 don’t know either, but I thought it was interesting to 1148 00:55:46,867 --> 00:55:49,334 thought it was interesting to put the question on the table 1149 00:55:49,334 --> 00:55:51,334 put the question on the table because uh it was uh something 1150 00:55:51,334 --> 00:55:54,466 because uh it was uh something new and that’s yeah on that 1151 00:55:54,466 --> 00:55:55,667 new and that’s yeah on that very, very quickly. I think I 1152 00:55:55,667 --> 00:55:59,767 very, very quickly. I think I can understand the difficulties 1153 00:55:59,767 --> 00:56:02,766 can understand the difficulties really in in in figuring what 1154 00:56:02,766 --> 00:56:04,767 really in in in figuring what she really meant because right 1155 00:56:04,767 --> 00:56:09,233 she really meant because right before that grand. And she 1156 00:56:09,233 --> 00:56:10,733 before that grand. And she acknowledged that we must 1157 00:56:10,733 --> 00:56:13,267 acknowledged that we must restore the four freedoms in 1158 00:56:13,267 --> 00:56:15,000 restore the four freedoms in full and as fast as possible, 1159 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,467 full and as fast as possible, So basically anybody who reads 1160 00:56:16,467 --> 00:56:19,100 So basically anybody who reads that would be thinking that she 1161 00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:21,234 that would be thinking that she can go back to what it was you 1162 00:56:21,234 --> 00:56:23,867 can go back to what it was you know in in that sense, but the 1163 00:56:23,867 --> 00:56:25,334 know in in that sense, but the fact that she immediately after 1164 00:56:25,334 --> 00:56:27,067 fact that she immediately after mentioned this new strategy, it 1165 00:56:27,067 --> 00:56:29,534 mentioned this new strategy, it makes me think and worry little 1166 00:56:29,534 --> 00:56:31,734 makes me think and worry little bit about that. uh we might be 1167 00:56:31,734 --> 00:56:32,300 bit about that. uh we might be thinking about something 1168 00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:34,334 thinking about something different in the light of what 1169 00:56:34,334 --> 00:56:36,733 different in the light of what we learn from the pandemic so. 1170 00:56:36,733 --> 00:56:39,233 we learn from the pandemic so. Good news, or is it just a 1171 00:56:39,233 --> 00:56:40,300 Good news, or is it just a recognition that we might not 1172 00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:42,467 recognition that we might not be able to go back to the full 1173 00:56:42,467 --> 00:56:44,667 be able to go back to the full freedom. We have that that’s 1174 00:56:44,667 --> 00:56:46,301 freedom. We have that that’s that’s for me a little bit 1175 00:56:46,301 --> 00:56:48,267 that’s for me a little bit worrisome out of that uh new 1176 00:56:48,267 --> 00:56:49,734 worrisome out of that uh new strategy for the future of 1177 00:56:49,734 --> 00:56:51,467 strategy for the future of saying, and I thought that the 1178 00:56:51,467 --> 00:56:53,167 saying, and I thought that the future was secured by the fact 1179 00:56:53,167 --> 00:56:54,334 future was secured by the fact that we want to restore that 1180 00:56:54,334 --> 00:56:56,900 that we want to restore that freedom that you see so little 1181 00:56:56,900 --> 00:56:57,899 freedom that you see so little bit concerning to me. Yeah, I 1182 00:56:57,899 --> 00:57:00,699 bit concerning to me. Yeah, I mean I think I can add. I think 1183 00:57:00,699 --> 00:57:02,333 mean I think I can add. I think think that’s also a bit of 1184 00:57:02,333 --> 00:57:04,533 think that’s also a bit of confusion uh here on this 1185 00:57:04,533 --> 00:57:06,800 confusion uh here on this issue. Really I mean Shaun I 1186 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,333 issue. Really I mean Shaun I mean. It’s not the same as the 1187 00:57:09,333 --> 00:57:11,433 mean. It’s not the same as the four freedoms right, I mean the 1188 00:57:11,433 --> 00:57:13,366 four freedoms right, I mean the freedoms that uh I mean if you 1189 00:57:13,366 --> 00:57:15,167 freedoms that uh I mean if you take the labor movement of 1190 00:57:15,167 --> 00:57:17,567 take the labor movement of labor, it’s about you know the 1191 00:57:17,567 --> 00:57:18,533 labor, it’s about you know the right to work wherever you 1192 00:57:18,533 --> 00:57:20,701 right to work wherever you want. um that’s not the same as 1193 00:57:20,701 --> 00:57:22,334 want. um that’s not the same as shame shame and is the is the 1194 00:57:22,334 --> 00:57:24,867 shame shame and is the is the right to cross the border 1195 00:57:24,867 --> 00:57:26,266 right to cross the border without being controlled at the 1196 00:57:26,266 --> 00:57:30,333 without being controlled at the border and um the ??? and woods 1197 00:57:30,333 --> 00:57:32,667 border and um the ??? and woods have a suspension clause um 1198 00:57:32,667 --> 00:57:35,733 have a suspension clause um that can be activated when um 1199 00:57:35,733 --> 00:57:37,967 that can be activated when um uh national health um uh is at 1200 00:57:37,967 --> 00:57:41,167 uh national health um uh is at risk. And they these uh these 1201 00:57:41,167 --> 00:57:43,767 risk. And they these uh these closes were activated uh during 1202 00:57:43,767 --> 00:57:46,867 closes were activated uh during the pandemic uh by a number of 1203 00:57:46,867 --> 00:57:48,234 the pandemic uh by a number of countries and you know one can 1204 00:57:48,234 --> 00:57:49,334 countries and you know one can debate whether that was 1205 00:57:49,334 --> 00:57:50,866 debate whether that was sensible or not. But I mean 1206 00:57:50,866 --> 00:57:52,300 sensible or not. But I mean certainly there was a legal 1207 00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:54,467 certainly there was a legal base for doing so um and the 1208 00:57:54,467 --> 00:57:56,300 base for doing so um and the other big issue I think is, of 1209 00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:59,799 other big issue I think is, of course um related to migration. 1210 00:57:59,799 --> 00:58:01,233 course um related to migration. I mean so you have immigrants 1211 00:58:01,233 --> 00:58:04,401 I mean so you have immigrants coming into uh the shang area 1212 00:58:04,401 --> 00:58:06,967 coming into uh the shang area um and then you know uh uh as 1213 00:58:06,967 --> 00:58:08,367 um and then you know uh uh as soon as they’re insights. uh 1214 00:58:08,367 --> 00:58:09,934 soon as they’re insights. uh you know they in theory they 1215 00:58:09,934 --> 00:58:13,133 you know they in theory they can without border. Go to all 1216 00:58:13,133 --> 00:58:15,433 can without border. Go to all other shame in places and and 1217 00:58:15,433 --> 00:58:17,233 other shame in places and and that is that that is raising a 1218 00:58:17,233 --> 00:58:19,801 that is that that is raising a lot of controversy So II like 1219 00:58:19,801 --> 00:58:21,299 lot of controversy So II like Alicia, I felt I was a bit 1220 00:58:21,299 --> 00:58:23,767 Alicia, I felt I was a bit surprised that the point was 1221 00:58:23,767 --> 00:58:25,467 surprised that the point was was mentioned right after the 1222 00:58:25,467 --> 00:58:28,900 was mentioned right after the four freedoms um uh I think the 1223 00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:31,334 four freedoms um uh I think the issue is very much related at 1224 00:58:31,334 --> 00:58:32,867 issue is very much related at the moment. It’s It’s very 1225 00:58:32,867 --> 00:58:35,200 the moment. It’s It’s very related to the pandemic and 1226 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,467 related to the pandemic and it’s related to um uh to um to 1227 00:58:37,467 --> 00:58:39,534 it’s related to um uh to um to the migration migration issue 1228 00:58:39,534 --> 00:58:42,799 the migration migration issue and on the migration. Um it’s 1229 00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:44,899 and on the migration. Um it’s quite difficult um at the 1230 00:58:44,899 --> 00:58:46,300 quite difficult um at the moment this discussion as we 1231 00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:49,400 moment this discussion as we are are seeing with the uh 1232 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,467 are are seeing with the uh refugees that were left 1233 00:58:50,467 --> 00:58:53,300 refugees that were left homeless um after the fire it 1234 00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:57,333 homeless um after the fire it at camp in um in less um I mean 1235 00:58:57,333 --> 00:58:58,966 at camp in um in less um I mean so so we still do not have a 1236 00:58:58,966 --> 00:59:00,900 so so we still do not have a proper strategy of you know how 1237 00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:02,234 proper strategy of you know how to deal with refugees and how 1238 00:59:02,234 --> 00:59:05,099 to deal with refugees and how to distribute them um in the U 1239 00:59:05,099 --> 00:59:06,466 to distribute them um in the U and member states, I think 1240 00:59:06,466 --> 00:59:09,167 and member states, I think that’s still quite reluctant um 1241 00:59:09,167 --> 00:59:12,834 that’s still quite reluctant um sort of um uh. In a joint 1242 00:59:12,834 --> 00:59:16,200 sort of um uh. In a joint strategy there. 1243 00:59:16,266 --> 00:59:18,767 Thank you indeed this uh this 1244 00:59:18,767 --> 00:59:21,067 Thank you indeed this uh this is all relates to this makes it 1245 00:59:21,067 --> 00:59:23,400 is all relates to this makes it makes very much sense and uh 1246 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,800 makes very much sense and uh I’m afraid that uh we could 1247 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,234 I’m afraid that uh we could continue this conversation for 1248 00:59:28,234 --> 00:59:31,366 continue this conversation for much longer but uh we don’t 1249 00:59:31,366 --> 00:59:33,733 much longer but uh we don’t have any more time uh for this 1250 00:59:33,733 --> 00:59:36,767 have any more time uh for this episode uh so I would like to 1251 00:59:36,767 --> 00:59:40,234 episode uh so I would like to thank to you all of you to uh 1252 00:59:40,234 --> 00:59:41,933 thank to you all of you to uh have joined the the 1253 00:59:41,933 --> 00:59:43,467 have joined the the conversation and I would like 1254 00:59:43,467 --> 00:59:47,234 conversation and I would like to thank our listeners. Tuning 1255 00:59:47,234 --> 00:59:50,000 to thank our listeners. Tuning in in this uh live recording 1256 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,334 in in this uh live recording session of uh the first episode 1257 00:59:53,334 --> 00:59:56,266 session of uh the first episode of the new season of the Sound 1258 00:59:56,266 --> 00:59:58,667 of the new season of the Sound of Economics life. so this 1259 00:59:58,667 --> 01:00:00,234 of Economics life. so this brings us to the end of this 1260 01:00:00,234 --> 01:00:01,767 brings us to the end of this episodes and I would like to 1261 01:00:01,767 --> 01:00:03,400 episodes and I would like to remind to all of you that uh 1262 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,933 remind to all of you that uh you will be able to follow uh 1263 01:00:05,933 --> 01:00:09,900 you will be able to follow uh all uh the other episodes of 1264 01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:12,333 all uh the other episodes of the sound of economics on our 1265 01:00:12,333 --> 01:00:14,367 the sound of economics on our website and on our channels. 1266 01:00:14,367 --> 01:00:17,666 website and on our channels. 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