1 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:30,966 Good evening and good day to 2 00:06:30,966 --> 00:06:32,234 Good evening and good day to you from wherever you are 3 00:06:32,234 --> 00:06:33,800 you from wherever you are joining us from welcome to the 4 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,800 joining us from welcome to the final session of day two of the 5 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,434 final session of day two of the brutal annual meetings where 6 00:06:37,434 --> 00:06:38,667 brutal annual meetings where we’re going to do something a 7 00:06:38,667 --> 00:06:40,500 we’re going to do something a little bit different. My name 8 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:41,834 little bit different. My name is Jennifer and I’m the 9 00:06:41,834 --> 00:06:43,634 is Jennifer and I’m the Brussels correspondent for the 10 00:06:43,634 --> 00:06:44,267 Brussels correspondent for the Guardian and it’s my great 11 00:06:44,267 --> 00:06:45,900 Guardian and it’s my great pleasure to be introducing the 12 00:06:45,900 --> 00:06:47,867 pleasure to be introducing the First-ever documentary co 13 00:06:47,867 --> 00:06:49,867 First-ever documentary co produced by brutal now the 14 00:06:49,867 --> 00:06:50,933 produced by brutal now the film, which we’re about to 15 00:06:50,933 --> 00:06:53,399 film, which we’re about to watch reopening Europe is uh 16 00:06:53,399 --> 00:06:55,834 watch reopening Europe is uh about a moment in time, which 17 00:06:55,834 --> 00:06:56,934 about a moment in time, which may already seem a little 18 00:06:56,934 --> 00:06:58,700 may already seem a little distant. It was a moment. In 19 00:06:58,700 --> 00:07:01,634 distant. It was a moment. In June when Corona virus cases 20 00:07:01,634 --> 00:07:03,700 June when Corona virus cases were falling across Europe and 21 00:07:03,700 --> 00:07:04,534 were falling across Europe and the restrictions are being 22 00:07:04,534 --> 00:07:07,600 the restrictions are being lifted everywhere and the film 23 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,233 lifted everywhere and the film we’re going to see uh 24 00:07:09,233 --> 00:07:10,966 we’re going to see uh chronicles uh a road trip 25 00:07:10,966 --> 00:07:12,600 chronicles uh a road trip across the EU starting with the 26 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,467 across the EU starting with the Black Lives Matter protest in 27 00:07:14,467 --> 00:07:16,467 Black Lives Matter protest in Brussels ending with the gay 28 00:07:16,467 --> 00:07:18,533 Brussels ending with the gay Pride March in Naples and along 29 00:07:18,533 --> 00:07:20,201 Pride March in Naples and along the way the filmmakers talk to 30 00:07:20,201 --> 00:07:22,334 the way the filmmakers talk to businesses to pass us by to 31 00:07:22,334 --> 00:07:23,900 businesses to pass us by to artists to policy makers to 32 00:07:23,900 --> 00:07:26,301 artists to policy makers to experts to all of them for 33 00:07:26,301 --> 00:07:27,867 experts to all of them for their own visions and hopes for 34 00:07:27,867 --> 00:07:29,500 their own visions and hopes for reopening Europe. I’m delighted 35 00:07:29,500 --> 00:07:33,000 reopening Europe. I’m delighted to work. This evening today we 36 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,333 to work. This evening today we have uh who is who is join me 37 00:07:35,333 --> 00:07:36,900 have uh who is who is join me in the studio. He is the head 38 00:07:36,900 --> 00:07:38,500 in the studio. He is the head of outreach and governance at 39 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:40,000 of outreach and governance at frugal, but most importantly 40 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,267 frugal, but most importantly for us, he is one of the film 41 00:07:42,267 --> 00:07:43,733 for us, he is one of the film makers uh along with Andrei, 42 00:07:43,733 --> 00:07:46,700 makers uh along with Andrei, have fleas and and David, the 43 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:47,767 have fleas and and David, the three of them traveled more 44 00:07:47,767 --> 00:07:50,400 three of them traveled more than 2700 kilometers to make 45 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:51,867 than 2700 kilometers to make this film in just 12 days and 46 00:07:51,867 --> 00:07:54,000 this film in just 12 days and cross ten borders. So we look 47 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,634 cross ten borders. So we look forward to hearing about their 48 00:07:56,634 --> 00:07:58,400 forward to hearing about their experience. It’s also my great 49 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,966 experience. It’s also my great pleasure to welcome. Jessica 50 00:07:59,966 --> 00:08:01,066 pleasure to welcome. Jessica Woodworth. She is a film 51 00:08:01,066 --> 00:08:04,733 Woodworth. She is a film director. In Belgium, a veteran 52 00:08:04,733 --> 00:08:05,867 director. In Belgium, a veteran documentary maker, but 53 00:08:05,867 --> 00:08:07,533 documentary maker, but particularly known for making a 54 00:08:07,533 --> 00:08:09,833 particularly known for making a documentary that is a satirical 55 00:08:09,833 --> 00:08:11,334 documentary that is a satirical work of fiction, King of the 56 00:08:11,334 --> 00:08:13,234 work of fiction, King of the Belgians, which I highly 57 00:08:13,234 --> 00:08:14,000 Belgians, which I highly recommend if you haven’t seen 58 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,700 recommend if you haven’t seen it, which is also a road trip, 59 00:08:15,700 --> 00:08:17,967 it, which is also a road trip, although this time uh that 60 00:08:17,967 --> 00:08:19,667 although this time uh that tells the story of a political 61 00:08:19,667 --> 00:08:21,967 tells the story of a political implosion uh name of Belgium, 62 00:08:21,967 --> 00:08:23,434 implosion uh name of Belgium, so we look forward to hearing 63 00:08:23,434 --> 00:08:25,434 so we look forward to hearing her reactions to the 64 00:08:25,434 --> 00:08:26,634 her reactions to the documentary that you’re about 65 00:08:26,634 --> 00:08:29,667 documentary that you’re about to see and uh before we do 66 00:08:29,667 --> 00:08:31,633 to see and uh before we do watch the the the film. um I’d 67 00:08:31,633 --> 00:08:34,433 watch the the the film. um I’d like to. Well, I’d like to say 68 00:08:34,433 --> 00:08:36,200 like to. Well, I’d like to say that many more people were 69 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:36,867 that many more people were involved in this production and 70 00:08:36,867 --> 00:08:38,467 involved in this production and I can name in a few moments 71 00:08:38,467 --> 00:08:40,267 I can name in a few moments now, but I would like to 72 00:08:40,267 --> 00:08:41,799 now, but I would like to highlight that it’s a joint 73 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:42,400 highlight that it’s a joint production between frugal 74 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,366 production between frugal between stock studios and the 75 00:08:44,366 --> 00:08:47,167 between stock studios and the Good point agency and Moreover, 76 00:08:47,167 --> 00:08:48,600 Good point agency and Moreover, there is much more to the 77 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,133 there is much more to the reopening Europe project than 78 00:08:50,133 --> 00:08:52,267 reopening Europe project than this one documentary. So do 79 00:08:52,267 --> 00:08:54,233 this one documentary. So do take a look at reopening 80 00:08:54,233 --> 00:08:55,400 take a look at reopening Europe.com where you will find 81 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,799 Europe.com where you will find lots of podcasts or um 82 00:08:57,799 --> 00:08:59,167 lots of podcasts or um reflecting on the themes of 83 00:08:59,167 --> 00:09:00,500 reflecting on the themes of this documentary and you’ll 84 00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:02,266 this documentary and you’ll also get news in the coming. 85 00:09:02,266 --> 00:09:04,000 also get news in the coming. Days and weeks about future 86 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,333 Days and weeks about future outputs from this project now 87 00:09:06,333 --> 00:09:07,967 outputs from this project now the project that the podcast 88 00:09:07,967 --> 00:09:09,466 the project that the podcast touched on a number of themes 89 00:09:09,466 --> 00:09:11,334 touched on a number of themes of the documentary, whether 90 00:09:11,334 --> 00:09:12,700 of the documentary, whether that’s new visions for the 91 00:09:12,700 --> 00:09:15,334 that’s new visions for the economy or how to make tourism 92 00:09:15,334 --> 00:09:16,800 economy or how to make tourism work for tourists, hot spots or 93 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,299 work for tourists, hot spots or the impact of the pandemic on 94 00:09:18,299 --> 00:09:20,699 the impact of the pandemic on government and governance 95 00:09:20,699 --> 00:09:21,967 government and governance there’ll be time at the end for 96 00:09:21,967 --> 00:09:23,367 there’ll be time at the end for your questions your comments, 97 00:09:23,367 --> 00:09:25,833 your questions your comments, but I think II won’t say 98 00:09:25,833 --> 00:09:26,600 but I think II won’t say anymore because it’s high time 99 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:27,966 anymore because it’s high time we watch the film so I’d like 100 00:09:27,966 --> 00:09:30,467 we watch the film so I’d like to invite you all to sit back 101 00:09:30,467 --> 00:09:35,500 to invite you all to sit back and we will start the show. 102 00:09:41,767 --> 00:09:43,266 We’re at the Black Lives Matter 103 00:09:43,266 --> 00:09:45,467 We’re at the Black Lives Matter to process in Brussels just at 104 00:09:45,467 --> 00:09:47,033 to process in Brussels just at the beginning of the project 105 00:09:47,033 --> 00:09:49,467 the beginning of the project reopening, which is about how 106 00:09:49,467 --> 00:09:50,700 reopening, which is about how borders and identity have 107 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:51,333 borders and identity have changed because of code and 108 00:09:51,333 --> 00:09:53,167 changed because of code and what kind of future we wanna 109 00:09:53,167 --> 00:09:58,600 what kind of future we wanna have in Europe. 110 00:10:01,633 --> 00:10:05,800 I get 111 00:10:09,234 --> 00:10:11,834 it’s like a Brazilian so it’s 112 00:10:11,834 --> 00:10:13,467 it’s like a Brazilian so it’s harder to me to pass for some 113 00:10:13,467 --> 00:10:14,699 harder to me to pass for some borders and some European 114 00:10:14,699 --> 00:10:17,834 borders and some European people that makes no sense the 115 00:10:17,834 --> 00:10:19,733 people that makes no sense the identity defines where you can 116 00:10:19,733 --> 00:10:21,933 identity defines where you can go what you can do as a black 117 00:10:21,933 --> 00:10:23,067 go what you can do as a black person. I’m quite aware with 118 00:10:23,067 --> 00:10:24,500 person. I’m quite aware with the various bolded between my 119 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:25,733 the various bolded between my blackness and my whiteness if I 120 00:10:25,733 --> 00:10:27,699 blackness and my whiteness if I have to negotiate all the time 121 00:10:27,699 --> 00:10:30,000 have to negotiate all the time um and I’m saying this because 122 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,367 um and I’m saying this because I just get back from the black 123 00:10:31,367 --> 00:10:34,733 I just get back from the black life matter. 124 00:11:06,234 --> 00:11:08,700 Because of my job with brutal, 125 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:10,466 Because of my job with brutal, we’ve been trying to analyze a 126 00:11:10,466 --> 00:11:14,201 we’ve been trying to analyze a lot around the impact of the 127 00:11:14,201 --> 00:11:17,000 lot around the impact of the economy in society in politics, 128 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,567 economy in society in politics, but obviously it at some point 129 00:11:18,567 --> 00:11:19,933 but obviously it at some point you want to go and meet the 130 00:11:19,933 --> 00:11:20,933 you want to go and meet the people on the ground. We’re 131 00:11:20,933 --> 00:11:23,500 people on the ground. We’re going on a trip to discover the 132 00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:24,867 going on a trip to discover the issue of borders around Europe 133 00:11:24,867 --> 00:11:26,167 issue of borders around Europe to talk to people on the 134 00:11:26,167 --> 00:11:27,933 to talk to people on the ground. find out how it 135 00:11:27,933 --> 00:11:28,834 ground. find out how it affected their life and their 136 00:11:28,834 --> 00:11:30,400 affected their life and their work talk to diverse people 137 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:31,699 work talk to diverse people about what they’re imagining 138 00:11:31,699 --> 00:11:33,433 about what they’re imagining for Europe going forward to go 139 00:11:33,433 --> 00:11:35,034 for Europe going forward to go through Europe as the boards 140 00:11:35,034 --> 00:11:38,200 through Europe as the boards reopened. Ask people questions 141 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,766 reopened. Ask people questions and also listen to what they 142 00:11:39,766 --> 00:11:41,234 and also listen to what they have to say about things that 143 00:11:41,234 --> 00:11:42,500 have to say about things that have changed or might change in 144 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:44,601 have changed or might change in the future. It’s it’s it’s 145 00:11:44,601 --> 00:11:48,066 the future. It’s it’s it’s unfolding as we do it. 146 00:11:56,234 --> 00:11:57,699 Starting to cross borders, when 147 00:11:57,699 --> 00:11:59,667 Starting to cross borders, when probably is not exactly clear 148 00:11:59,667 --> 00:12:01,734 probably is not exactly clear to us if it’s allowed or not 149 00:12:01,734 --> 00:12:03,500 to us if it’s allowed or not allowed where should I go? It’s 150 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:06,500 allowed where should I go? It’s back. 151 00:12:07,267 --> 00:12:09,000 So uh we just with uh your hair 152 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,767 So uh we just with uh your hair or is it your job. It’s job is 153 00:12:12,767 --> 00:12:16,899 or is it your job. It’s job is a fixer, A man in over we are 154 00:12:16,899 --> 00:12:18,234 a fixer, A man in over we are coming into this as three 155 00:12:18,234 --> 00:12:20,734 coming into this as three people from a particular 156 00:12:20,734 --> 00:12:23,233 people from a particular background with three men with 157 00:12:23,233 --> 00:12:24,199 background with three men with three white people. We’re all 158 00:12:24,199 --> 00:12:26,167 three white people. We’re all living in Brussels and we’re 159 00:12:26,167 --> 00:12:28,967 living in Brussels and we’re coming to you know by nature, 160 00:12:28,967 --> 00:12:30,333 coming to you know by nature, we can only visit a certain 161 00:12:30,333 --> 00:12:31,967 we can only visit a certain number of places in the time 162 00:12:31,967 --> 00:12:35,667 number of places in the time that we have available. 163 00:12:40,167 --> 00:12:40,933 Where she’s standing here on 164 00:12:40,933 --> 00:12:43,367 Where she’s standing here on the ferry that connects the 165 00:12:43,367 --> 00:12:45,734 the ferry that connects the Netherlands and Belgium and 166 00:12:45,734 --> 00:12:48,700 Netherlands and Belgium and we’re here on the border 167 00:12:48,700 --> 00:12:49,967 we’re here on the border between these two countries, 168 00:12:49,967 --> 00:12:52,700 between these two countries, which is the m and the past 3 169 00:12:52,700 --> 00:12:55,000 which is the m and the past 3 months, there was no service 170 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,234 months, there was no service between these two places and 171 00:12:56,234 --> 00:12:57,000 between these two places and Joe Mountains has been 172 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,267 Joe Mountains has been operating this ferry for the 173 00:12:59,267 --> 00:13:01,967 operating this ferry for the past 15 years almost 16 years 174 00:13:01,967 --> 00:13:04,701 past 15 years almost 16 years at the moment and it has hadn’t 175 00:13:04,701 --> 00:13:06,633 at the moment and it has hadn’t such a big impact on life and 176 00:13:06,633 --> 00:13:08,300 such a big impact on life and we’re covering that here as it 177 00:13:08,300 --> 00:13:12,933 we’re covering that here as it happened slot very commonly of. 178 00:13:12,933 --> 00:13:18,767 happened slot very commonly of. They all of this uh that’s two. 179 00:13:18,767 --> 00:13:21,800 They all of this uh that’s two. Yeah my friend that is he here 180 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,700 Yeah my friend that is he here But I’ll give you this now. Do 181 00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:27,400 But I’ll give you this now. Do you think there’s a and you go 182 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,467 you think there’s a and you go and you go to the pretending 183 00:13:31,467 --> 00:13:32,299 and you go to the pretending Good day at the side. It’s 184 00:13:32,299 --> 00:13:36,967 Good day at the side. It’s gonna be with the cake. 185 00:13:42,333 --> 00:13:43,733 So we are a little bit shocked. 186 00:13:43,733 --> 00:13:46,266 So we are a little bit shocked. We feel here because everyone 187 00:13:46,266 --> 00:13:48,000 We feel here because everyone is so casual, you know like uh 188 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,299 is so casual, you know like uh we don’t see social distance to 189 00:13:50,299 --> 00:13:51,167 we don’t see social distance to rises are full of people. We 190 00:13:51,167 --> 00:13:53,533 rises are full of people. We have just passed through the 191 00:13:53,533 --> 00:13:55,300 have just passed through the Belgian Luxembourg border is 192 00:13:55,300 --> 00:13:57,300 Belgian Luxembourg border is that the border that’s a gas 193 00:13:57,300 --> 00:14:00,767 that the border that’s a gas station. Why is it so weird 194 00:14:00,767 --> 00:14:01,733 station. Why is it so weird because usually these loads of 195 00:14:01,733 --> 00:14:04,700 because usually these loads of people here uh like hundreds? 196 00:14:04,700 --> 00:14:06,834 people here uh like hundreds? Yeah from all over Europe, but 197 00:14:06,834 --> 00:14:10,600 Yeah from all over Europe, but they are not. 198 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:15,467 I’m deeply convinced that we 199 00:14:15,467 --> 00:14:17,234 I’m deeply convinced that we need to use this crisis to 200 00:14:17,234 --> 00:14:19,000 need to use this crisis to change uh our way of living 201 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,467 change uh our way of living which with each other to have 202 00:14:21,467 --> 00:14:24,134 which with each other to have circular economy to also have a 203 00:14:24,134 --> 00:14:26,000 circular economy to also have a stronger uh production in the U 204 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,400 stronger uh production in the U because we know that we were 205 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,266 because we know that we were strongly dependent on the Asian 206 00:14:29,266 --> 00:14:30,767 strongly dependent on the Asian market and we have to 207 00:14:30,767 --> 00:14:33,266 market and we have to reconsider how uh we are uh 208 00:14:33,266 --> 00:14:33,933 reconsider how uh we are uh doing trade. We are doing 209 00:14:33,933 --> 00:14:35,400 doing trade. We are doing economic and we are doing a uh 210 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,733 economic and we are doing a uh an economic development within 211 00:14:37,733 --> 00:14:38,733 an economic development within the U still looking at the 212 00:14:38,733 --> 00:14:40,233 the U still looking at the panda and still looking at the 213 00:14:40,233 --> 00:14:41,666 panda and still looking at the recovery and looking out things 214 00:14:41,666 --> 00:14:44,400 recovery and looking out things are going forward. I think as 215 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,234 are going forward. I think as one country together as one um 216 00:14:47,234 --> 00:14:50,700 one country together as one um as one unity in itself, uh 217 00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:52,934 as one unity in itself, uh Luxembourg is doing quite well 218 00:14:52,934 --> 00:14:55,200 Luxembourg is doing quite well this year. What is on the in 219 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,400 this year. What is on the in the grocery? in the uh okay uh 220 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:05,699 the grocery? in the uh okay uh uh uh a snail no problem on on 221 00:15:05,699 --> 00:15:08,400 uh uh a snail no problem on on uh my people will control 222 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:14,800 uh my people will control control it and uh uh control. 223 00:15:16,633 --> 00:15:21,400 Mixproblem und äh Problem. 224 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,966 Mixproblem und äh Problem. Polizei. Politikproblem. 225 00:15:44,300 --> 00:15:48,200 I will try to pass the border 226 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,467 I will try to pass the border before midnight because now 227 00:15:49,467 --> 00:15:53,967 before midnight because now it’s 1132. 228 00:15:55,734 --> 00:15:56,667 That’s a bridge. This is the 229 00:15:56,667 --> 00:15:58,767 That’s a bridge. This is the bridge that is opening 230 00:15:58,767 --> 00:16:00,234 bridge that is opening supposedly at midnight. Yeah, 231 00:16:00,234 --> 00:16:02,634 supposedly at midnight. Yeah, but it’s actually open. There 232 00:16:02,634 --> 00:16:03,699 but it’s actually open. There are people working on the 233 00:16:03,699 --> 00:16:06,999 are people working on the bridge. We are on the bridge. 234 00:16:06,999 --> 00:16:10,534 bridge. We are on the bridge. We’re literally on the bridge. 235 00:16:10,534 --> 00:16:13,633 We’re literally on the bridge. Okay. 236 00:16:44,234 --> 00:16:46,800 Plus we’re going to open on 237 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:51,533 Plus we’re going to open on Monday at 1159. 238 00:16:52,201 --> 00:16:53,767 Andrew What are you doing? Um? 239 00:16:53,767 --> 00:16:58,567 Andrew What are you doing? Um? I’m washing the windmill. 240 00:17:32,534 --> 00:17:34,867 c’est le le personnel soignant 241 00:17:34,867 --> 00:17:36,400 c’est le le personnel soignant euh, le passé qui travaille 242 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:37,867 euh, le passé qui travaille dans dans les hôpitaux, dans 243 00:17:37,867 --> 00:17:39,967 dans dans les hôpitaux, dans les maisons de retraite qui 244 00:17:39,967 --> 00:17:40,733 les maisons de retraite qui manifestent pour plus de 245 00:17:40,733 --> 00:17:44,533 manifestent pour plus de reconnaissance en fait. 246 00:18:03,866 --> 00:18:05,367 in Explosion the äh Kiss 247 00:18:05,367 --> 00:18:10,800 in Explosion the äh Kiss Kissbars, Alex, äh 248 00:18:15,434 --> 00:18:18,133 Menisical, äh en Allemagne. 249 00:18:18,133 --> 00:18:19,967 Menisical, äh en Allemagne. Donc voilà, donc on a vraiment 250 00:18:19,967 --> 00:18:21,367 Donc voilà, donc on a vraiment eu un nombre très très 251 00:18:21,367 --> 00:18:22,066 eu un nombre très très impressionnant de demande. Le 252 00:18:22,066 --> 00:18:23,099 impressionnant de demande. Le conflit de moi je l’ai compris, 253 00:18:23,099 --> 00:18:24,800 conflit de moi je l’ai compris, la fermeture de la frontière, 254 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,000 la fermeture de la frontière, je l’ai moins compris. C’était 255 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,933 je l’ai moins compris. C’était plus difficile à comprendre, 256 00:18:27,933 --> 00:18:29,667 plus difficile à comprendre, parce que je trouve c’est c’est 257 00:18:29,667 --> 00:18:31,034 parce que je trouve c’est c’est pas l’image de l’Europe que 258 00:18:31,034 --> 00:18:34,133 pas l’image de l’Europe que j’ai 259 00:19:13,266 --> 00:19:13,967 Still, understanding what’s 260 00:19:13,967 --> 00:19:15,800 Still, understanding what’s actually happening right now we 261 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,767 actually happening right now we still it’s it’s so fluid and so 262 00:19:17,767 --> 00:19:21,800 still it’s it’s so fluid and so organic that it’s just wow uh 263 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,533 organic that it’s just wow uh and and and we are just 264 00:19:23,533 --> 00:19:27,000 and and and we are just swimming in it. 265 00:19:28,266 --> 00:19:30,600 It’s just it’s a Norwalk good. 266 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,000 It’s just it’s a Norwalk good. good good. 267 00:19:38,733 --> 00:19:44,967 Look, it’s a proper. Guys in 268 00:19:44,967 --> 00:19:48,333 Look, it’s a proper. Guys in Switzerland. 269 00:19:58,233 --> 00:20:00,800 It’s just an open border for us 270 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,700 It’s just an open border for us normally and now it was 271 00:20:04,700 --> 00:20:06,800 normally and now it was nineteen it’s was suddenly 272 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,133 nineteen it’s was suddenly closed whereas in the border is 273 00:20:08,133 --> 00:20:11,699 closed whereas in the border is a place where you need to go 274 00:20:11,699 --> 00:20:14,867 a place where you need to go from one system to the next 275 00:20:14,867 --> 00:20:17,234 from one system to the next political system if this 276 00:20:17,234 --> 00:20:19,734 political system if this identity cuts or passports are 277 00:20:19,734 --> 00:20:22,933 identity cuts or passports are acceptable to see as a 278 00:20:22,933 --> 00:20:25,266 acceptable to see as a political system that let you 279 00:20:25,266 --> 00:20:30,734 political system that let you in easily. if not you’re. 280 00:21:40,767 --> 00:21:44,000 Living in 281 00:21:45,533 --> 00:21:50,000 Belgium. Republic So we pass 282 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,167 Belgium. Republic So we pass the board, the board was 283 00:21:52,167 --> 00:21:54,000 the board, the board was nothing the border was nothing 284 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,667 nothing the border was nothing say the Austrian border was the 285 00:21:55,667 --> 00:21:56,933 say the Austrian border was the one border that we thought we 286 00:21:56,933 --> 00:22:01,467 one border that we thought we would have a problem with yeah. 287 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,167 Being an artist, I mean where 288 00:22:20,167 --> 00:22:21,166 Being an artist, I mean where there are no borders, I listen 289 00:22:21,166 --> 00:22:22,733 there are no borders, I listen to music. I listen to uh 290 00:22:22,733 --> 00:22:24,800 to music. I listen to uh Scandinavian music. I even like 291 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,967 Scandinavian music. I even like the dialect music and in 292 00:22:26,967 --> 00:22:28,367 the dialect music and in Austria and if I see Brexit 293 00:22:28,367 --> 00:22:30,767 Austria and if I see Brexit happening if I see covert 294 00:22:30,767 --> 00:22:32,733 happening if I see covert closing borders uh to me, 295 00:22:32,733 --> 00:22:35,201 closing borders uh to me, that’s more of a problem than 296 00:22:35,201 --> 00:22:36,801 that’s more of a problem than uh than the virus itself. I 297 00:22:36,801 --> 00:22:40,167 uh than the virus itself. I would like to have like a day 298 00:22:40,167 --> 00:22:42,699 would like to have like a day like a day when everything is 299 00:22:42,699 --> 00:22:44,600 like a day when everything is closed and nobody is allowed to 300 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,967 closed and nobody is allowed to go out to remember the time 301 00:22:45,967 --> 00:22:47,967 go out to remember the time when it was and to remember 302 00:22:47,967 --> 00:22:50,533 when it was and to remember that. Which thing in life are 303 00:22:50,533 --> 00:22:52,234 that. Which thing in life are really important and which are 304 00:22:52,234 --> 00:22:53,900 really important and which are not I don’t want to be seen the 305 00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:55,934 not I don’t want to be seen the film. filming. I’m filming 306 00:22:55,934 --> 00:22:59,033 film. filming. I’m filming here. Yeah. 307 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:38,533 di mano no? Voi non offrola io 308 00:24:38,533 --> 00:24:39,967 di mano no? Voi non offrola io a me nun ca mi passò che io ti 309 00:24:39,967 --> 00:24:43,699 a me nun ca mi passò che io ti vecchi come si e come si una 310 00:24:43,699 --> 00:24:46,867 vecchi come si e come si una frontiera 311 00:24:47,466 --> 00:24:52,434 no? Ma io penso di colombia 312 00:24:54,267 --> 00:24:59,100 e di a frontieras 313 00:25:20,967 --> 00:25:23,967 Tú 314 00:25:30,933 --> 00:25:37,534 Donde Platform that is a common 315 00:25:44,801 --> 00:25:55,600 platform claiming in don’t put 316 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,467 platform claiming in don’t put the call me after all. I’m 317 00:25:58,467 --> 00:26:02,534 the call me after all. I’m Italian so uh it’s also a very 318 00:26:02,534 --> 00:26:04,667 Italian so uh it’s also a very symbolic part about what’s been 319 00:26:04,667 --> 00:26:06,700 symbolic part about what’s been going on and I think the region 320 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:11,200 going on and I think the region is marked. A lot of and it’s 321 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,700 is marked. A lot of and it’s still very fresh, You know 322 00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:15,400 still very fresh, You know there’s still a lot of disputes 323 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,967 there’s still a lot of disputes alongside the memory about 324 00:26:17,967 --> 00:26:21,000 alongside the memory about this. 325 00:26:24,201 --> 00:26:28,166 So we just arrived in Venice 326 00:26:28,166 --> 00:26:29,700 So we just arrived in Venice incredible, so here’s the 327 00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:30,533 incredible, so here’s the number of people in Venice 328 00:26:30,533 --> 00:26:33,967 number of people in Venice right now. 329 00:26:34,201 --> 00:26:35,967 And we’re told that it’s 330 00:26:35,967 --> 00:26:37,967 And we’re told that it’s usually around about five times 331 00:26:37,967 --> 00:26:41,467 usually around about five times as many people as this. 332 00:26:42,867 --> 00:26:45,067 The dividers so fast because 333 00:26:45,067 --> 00:26:46,867 The dividers so fast because there were no borders uh no3, 334 00:26:46,867 --> 00:26:49,200 there were no borders uh no3, no more real borders between 335 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,400 no more real borders between the each country. This is not 336 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,967 the each country. This is not like a bad thing. So it’s a 337 00:26:51,967 --> 00:26:55,767 like a bad thing. So it’s a good one but this make uh more 338 00:26:55,767 --> 00:26:57,467 good one but this make uh more fragile when these fires move 339 00:26:57,467 --> 00:26:58,867 fragile when these fires move too fast from one country to 340 00:26:58,867 --> 00:27:02,333 too fast from one country to the other one if we want to see 341 00:27:02,333 --> 00:27:02,933 the other one if we want to see positive things about the 342 00:27:02,933 --> 00:27:06,234 positive things about the values we saw that in like two 343 00:27:06,234 --> 00:27:08,899 values we saw that in like two 3 months uh the nature take a 344 00:27:08,899 --> 00:27:12,400 3 months uh the nature take a spaces back so water is more. 345 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,300 spaces back so water is more. You see all around the event 346 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,633 You see all around the event this year. It was funny to see 347 00:27:17,633 --> 00:27:19,300 this year. It was funny to see this. you see that people are 348 00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:20,667 this. you see that people are having this contradictory 349 00:27:20,667 --> 00:27:23,199 having this contradictory feelings of having seen a word 350 00:27:23,199 --> 00:27:24,933 feelings of having seen a word that can be different. But on 351 00:27:24,933 --> 00:27:26,733 that can be different. But on the other hand, they’ve been 352 00:27:26,733 --> 00:27:28,467 the other hand, they’ve been very heat in their daily life 353 00:27:28,467 --> 00:27:34,300 very heat in their daily life in their jobs a Ross 354 00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:42,533 I’m a. fortuna per soli sei ore 355 00:27:42,533 --> 00:27:43,966 I’m a. fortuna per soli sei ore ma son state sei ore che hanno 356 00:27:43,966 --> 00:27:46,133 ma son state sei ore che hanno lasciato ovviamente dei danni. 357 00:27:46,133 --> 00:27:47,533 lasciato ovviamente dei danni. Arriviamo quindi poi all’epoca 358 00:27:47,533 --> 00:27:48,800 Arriviamo quindi poi all’epoca al momento del COVI, 359 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,099 al momento del COVI, dell’allarme Covid, in pieno 360 00:27:50,099 --> 00:27:52,600 dell’allarme Covid, in pieno carnevale quando la città stava 361 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,266 carnevale quando la città stava eh riavviando la sua capacità 362 00:27:54,266 --> 00:27:56,599 eh riavviando la sua capacità di attrarre i turisti per poi 363 00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:57,967 di attrarre i turisti per poi quindi essere completamente 364 00:27:57,967 --> 00:27:59,700 quindi essere completamente rinchiusi nel paese nel Nord 365 00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:01,500 rinchiusi nel paese nel Nord Italia e poi nel paese, di 366 00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:02,434 Italia e poi nel paese, di colpo la domenica del 367 00:28:02,434 --> 00:28:03,733 colpo la domenica del carnevale. Questo ha fatto sì 368 00:28:03,733 --> 00:28:06,000 carnevale. Questo ha fatto sì che eh ci fosse subito un danno 369 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,499 che eh ci fosse subito un danno diretto dal punto di vista 370 00:28:07,499 --> 00:28:08,066 diretto dal punto di vista economico, in una situazione 371 00:28:08,066 --> 00:28:10,800 economico, in una situazione già un po’ in crisi e d’altra 372 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,099 già un po’ in crisi e d’altra parte che ci trovassimo in 373 00:28:12,099 --> 00:28:14,267 parte che ci trovassimo in qualche modo primi nel paese ad 374 00:28:14,267 --> 00:28:15,367 qualche modo primi nel paese ad affrontare questa emergenza 375 00:28:15,367 --> 00:28:17,001 affrontare questa emergenza sotto il profilo anche 376 00:28:17,001 --> 00:28:18,734 sotto il profilo anche sanitario. Io sono veneziano, 377 00:28:18,734 --> 00:28:19,967 sanitario. Io sono veneziano, una delle poche, dovrò mettermi 378 00:28:19,967 --> 00:28:22,467 una delle poche, dovrò mettermi fra un po’ un cartello, sono 379 00:28:22,467 --> 00:28:23,400 fra un po’ un cartello, sono veneziana perché la maggior 380 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,034 veneziana perché la maggior parte adesso no, forse i 381 00:28:25,034 --> 00:28:27,499 parte adesso no, forse i turisti purtroppo non ci sono 382 00:28:27,499 --> 00:28:30,066 turisti purtroppo non ci sono purtroppo e un po’ per fortuna 383 00:28:30,066 --> 00:28:32,300 purtroppo e un po’ per fortuna perché ce n’erano troppi per la 384 00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:35,600 perché ce n’erano troppi per la capacità veneziana, di 385 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,899 capacità veneziana, di ricezione. Cioè non è possibile 386 00:28:36,899 --> 00:28:38,667 ricezione. Cioè non è possibile avere masse una città fragile 387 00:28:38,667 --> 00:28:40,000 avere masse una città fragile come questa, dovrebbe essere un 388 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,533 come questa, dovrebbe essere un po’ più contingentato avere 389 00:28:41,533 --> 00:28:44,999 po’ più contingentato avere numeri minori ben venga il 390 00:28:44,999 --> 00:28:46,967 numeri minori ben venga il turismo, il turismo per 391 00:28:46,967 --> 00:28:51,567 turismo, il turismo per l’Italia è una delle cose più 392 00:29:11,866 --> 00:29:15,067 importanti. Qui 393 00:30:04,767 --> 00:30:08,334 I have great footage over here. 394 00:30:08,334 --> 00:30:09,967 I have great footage over here. I can’t stop laughing. I’m 395 00:30:09,967 --> 00:30:13,034 I can’t stop laughing. I’m sorry. 396 00:30:13,667 --> 00:30:16,234 Music is great. This is this is 397 00:30:16,234 --> 00:30:17,633 Music is great. This is this is of all of the things that we’ve 398 00:30:17,633 --> 00:30:19,434 of all of the things that we’ve done did they just take us on 399 00:30:19,434 --> 00:30:20,999 done did they just take us on this bizarre back when we 400 00:30:20,999 --> 00:30:22,967 this bizarre back when we could’ve just had the rights 401 00:30:22,967 --> 00:30:26,467 could’ve just had the rights and ended up here. 402 00:30:28,634 --> 00:30:30,533 People need to be listened to 403 00:30:30,533 --> 00:30:32,667 People need to be listened to and the fact that the only by 404 00:30:32,667 --> 00:30:35,334 and the fact that the only by going and and and spending 405 00:30:35,334 --> 00:30:37,600 going and and and spending hours in driving everywhere 406 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,734 hours in driving everywhere trying to get their voices and 407 00:30:39,734 --> 00:30:45,700 trying to get their voices and and and be on a listening mode. 408 00:30:53,167 --> 00:30:57,267 But as soon as 409 00:31:10,499 --> 00:31:14,567 the show. would do a lot of the 410 00:31:14,567 --> 00:31:19,767 the show. would do a lot of the answers is probably a 411 00:31:19,767 --> 00:31:19,800 answers is probably a draw. 412 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:26,233 draw. the fastest. quando si 413 00:31:26,233 --> 00:31:28,466 draw. the fastest. quando si poteva di abbandonare diciamo 414 00:31:28,466 --> 00:31:31,734 poteva di abbandonare diciamo il territorio 415 00:31:46,534 --> 00:31:48,000 la chiusura delle frontiere ci 416 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,800 la chiusura delle frontiere ci ha molto danneggiato perché? 417 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,899 ha molto danneggiato perché? Perché eh soprattutto in Europa 418 00:31:52,899 --> 00:31:55,967 Perché eh soprattutto in Europa eh abituati ad una libera 419 00:31:55,967 --> 00:31:58,000 eh abituati ad una libera circolazione delle merci anche 420 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,400 circolazione delle merci anche eh nella ripartenza come ben 421 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,799 eh nella ripartenza come ben sapete alcune eh dogane alcune 422 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:04,000 sapete alcune eh dogane alcune frontiere sono rimaste chiuse. 423 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,934 frontiere sono rimaste chiuse. Quindi anche alimentare le 424 00:32:05,934 --> 00:32:06,733 Quindi anche alimentare le documentazioni, per far 425 00:32:06,733 --> 00:32:08,033 documentazioni, per far scorrere la merce è stato 426 00:32:08,033 --> 00:32:09,899 scorrere la merce è stato complicato. Tantè che molte 427 00:32:09,899 --> 00:32:11,333 complicato. Tantè che molte griffe con cui lavoriamo, hanno 428 00:32:11,333 --> 00:32:12,400 griffe con cui lavoriamo, hanno deciso di tenere in Werass 429 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,033 deciso di tenere in Werass quindi in stock, la merce 430 00:32:14,033 --> 00:32:16,533 quindi in stock, la merce consegnata in attesa di poterla 431 00:32:16,533 --> 00:32:18,133 consegnata in attesa di poterla al meglio quando anche per 432 00:32:18,133 --> 00:32:19,467 al meglio quando anche per esempio in Inghilterra 433 00:32:19,467 --> 00:32:21,466 esempio in Inghilterra piuttosto che negli Stati Uniti 434 00:32:21,466 --> 00:32:22,967 piuttosto che negli Stati Uniti parlando anche hm eh a livello 435 00:32:22,967 --> 00:32:24,767 parlando anche hm eh a livello intercontinentale si sarebbero 436 00:32:24,767 --> 00:32:26,533 intercontinentale si sarebbero riaperti gli shopping quindi le 437 00:32:26,533 --> 00:32:29,800 riaperti gli shopping quindi le frontiere 438 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,433 Allora, l’azienda ha vissuto 439 00:32:35,433 --> 00:32:37,834 Allora, l’azienda ha vissuto questo periodo di rock down in 440 00:32:37,834 --> 00:32:39,800 questo periodo di rock down in maniera eh molto sofferta 441 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,133 maniera eh molto sofferta perché chiaramente ci troviamo 442 00:32:41,133 --> 00:32:43,367 perché chiaramente ci troviamo in uno dei settori più colpiti. 443 00:32:43,367 --> 00:32:45,133 in uno dei settori più colpiti. Chiaramente l’azienda si è 444 00:32:45,133 --> 00:32:47,633 Chiaramente l’azienda si è quasi completamente fermata. 445 00:32:47,633 --> 00:32:49,934 quasi completamente fermata. Abbiamo avuto la necessità e il 446 00:32:49,934 --> 00:32:51,533 Abbiamo avuto la necessità e il senso del dovere di portare 447 00:32:51,533 --> 00:32:53,367 senso del dovere di portare avanti alcune lavorazioni, ad 448 00:32:53,367 --> 00:32:54,800 avanti alcune lavorazioni, ad esempio quelle di alcuni aerei 449 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,667 esempio quelle di alcuni aerei che trasportavano materiali 450 00:32:56,667 --> 00:32:58,534 che trasportavano materiali importanti o anche gli aerei 451 00:32:58,534 --> 00:33:00,000 importanti o anche gli aerei della presidenza del Consiglio 452 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,200 della presidenza del Consiglio dei Ministri che sono state 453 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,533 dei Ministri che sono state lavorati anche urante il più 454 00:33:03,533 --> 00:33:05,133 lavorati anche urante il più dell’Ok Down. Per quanto 455 00:33:05,133 --> 00:33:06,800 dell’Ok Down. Per quanto riguarda invece tutto il resto 456 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,133 riguarda invece tutto il resto del lavoro, quindi le classiche 457 00:33:09,133 --> 00:33:10,600 del lavoro, quindi le classiche compagnie aeree eh chiaramente 458 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,667 compagnie aeree eh chiaramente era tutto fermo. 459 00:33:21,667 --> 00:33:24,300 sabato prossimo ancora di meno 460 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:26,533 sabato prossimo ancora di meno persone e saranno quei bambini 461 00:33:26,533 --> 00:33:30,133 persone e saranno quei bambini per il Pride eh 462 00:33:34,466 --> 00:33:40,667 Municipali Match More B and B 463 00:33:43,133 --> 00:33:46,166 or e 464 00:33:47,834 --> 00:33:50,933 Frizie Family e Deluse Harry 465 00:33:50,933 --> 00:33:56,400 Frizie Family e Deluse Harry Fing. And so now they can go we 466 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,167 Fing. And so now they can go we call it a mono culture of the 467 00:33:59,167 --> 00:34:01,067 call it a mono culture of the tourist you cannot think that 468 00:34:01,067 --> 00:34:04,867 tourist you cannot think that the ACA Naples, that is a very 469 00:34:04,867 --> 00:34:08,234 the ACA Naples, that is a very complex city. Can I leave with 470 00:34:08,234 --> 00:34:13,666 complex city. Can I leave with the only one kind of economy? 471 00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,834 Many people Jessi individual 472 00:34:21,834 --> 00:34:28,367 Many people Jessi individual your è active arti brinding 473 00:34:28,367 --> 00:34:31,666 your è active arti brinding food, homeless people, and to 474 00:34:31,666 --> 00:34:36,667 food, homeless people, and to two, nidi, eh familias, news 475 00:34:36,667 --> 00:34:40,467 two, nidi, eh familias, news beame, willy how, the epidemic, 476 00:34:40,467 --> 00:34:43,733 beame, willy how, the epidemic, worlds, eh 477 00:34:45,001 --> 00:34:48,533 tac rosso, house, usati 478 00:34:48,533 --> 00:34:51,667 tac rosso, house, usati Reactive 479 00:35:01,267 --> 00:35:07,067 Look at that look at that. 480 00:35:13,466 --> 00:35:15,767 There’s some kind of shared 481 00:35:15,767 --> 00:35:17,400 There’s some kind of shared sense of having been through 482 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,300 sense of having been through something even though all the 483 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:19,801 something even though all the stories were so different and 484 00:35:19,801 --> 00:35:21,533 stories were so different and actually so invisible and that 485 00:35:21,533 --> 00:35:25,367 actually so invisible and that the the real subtext the whole 486 00:35:25,367 --> 00:35:27,034 the the real subtext the whole thing is the invisible things 487 00:35:27,034 --> 00:35:30,266 thing is the invisible things became visible, not only 488 00:35:30,266 --> 00:35:32,000 became visible, not only borders and other things, which 489 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,266 borders and other things, which are problematic what did was 490 00:35:34,266 --> 00:35:35,700 are problematic what did was make the invisible visible we 491 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:38,700 make the invisible visible we suddenly saw in very high 492 00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:40,867 suddenly saw in very high definition How our health 493 00:35:40,867 --> 00:35:43,067 definition How our health services were underfunded? How 494 00:35:43,067 --> 00:35:45,400 services were underfunded? How uh you know just a communities? 495 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,166 uh you know just a communities? We’re living we were talking 496 00:35:46,166 --> 00:35:46,867 We’re living we were talking about how people opened up. I 497 00:35:46,867 --> 00:35:47,800 about how people opened up. I think it was also because we 498 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,167 think it was also because we have that framework it’s. 499 00:35:50,167 --> 00:35:51,634 have that framework it’s. Hopeful topic reopening because 500 00:35:51,634 --> 00:35:53,334 Hopeful topic reopening because everyone wants to reopen but at 501 00:35:53,334 --> 00:35:54,766 everyone wants to reopen but at the same time, it’s conflicted 502 00:35:54,766 --> 00:35:55,799 the same time, it’s conflicted because there was a lot of 503 00:35:55,799 --> 00:35:57,467 because there was a lot of difficulties. A lot of uh 504 00:35:57,467 --> 00:35:58,799 difficulties. A lot of uh awareness about what’s really 505 00:35:58,799 --> 00:36:00,000 awareness about what’s really gonna happen. You’re not in a 506 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,234 gonna happen. You’re not in a post pandemic world in this 507 00:36:01,234 --> 00:36:03,967 post pandemic world in this very important, there is no 508 00:36:03,967 --> 00:36:06,533 very important, there is no clue whatsoever about what 509 00:36:06,533 --> 00:36:09,033 clue whatsoever about what might happen and in a way or 510 00:36:09,033 --> 00:36:10,600 might happen and in a way or another, the distant look at 511 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,867 another, the distant look at this in a few months, we’ll 512 00:36:12,867 --> 00:36:14,367 this in a few months, we’ll give us some insights that we 513 00:36:14,367 --> 00:36:16,400 give us some insights that we might not be able to unpack 514 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,534 might not be able to unpack right now. 515 00:36:38,699 --> 00:36:42,467 This is the first Friday of the 516 00:36:42,467 --> 00:36:45,600 This is the first Friday of the lock down. 517 00:36:47,833 --> 00:36:50,400 It’s uh with the social media, 518 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,400 It’s uh with the social media, the video chats we were all 519 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,667 the video chats we were all together. We are all and it was 520 00:36:54,667 --> 00:36:57,234 together. We are all and it was beautiful. We still have to be 521 00:36:57,234 --> 00:36:58,867 beautiful. We still have to be careful, but at the same time I 522 00:36:58,867 --> 00:37:01,500 careful, but at the same time I think that if we do not get 523 00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:03,933 think that if we do not get used to normal life again, it 524 00:37:03,933 --> 00:37:06,767 used to normal life again, it wouldn’t be normal so we had um 525 00:37:06,767 --> 00:37:10,699 wouldn’t be normal so we had um scared for the car but um we 526 00:37:10,699 --> 00:37:14,133 scared for the car but um we have a reason to stay here that 527 00:37:14,133 --> 00:37:20,166 have a reason to stay here that um is um stronger than the. 528 00:37:50,666 --> 00:37:52,400 Hey, welcome back to the 529 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,900 Hey, welcome back to the studio, so we’ve seen some 530 00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:55,300 studio, so we’ve seen some wonderful landscapes some vivid 531 00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:57,799 wonderful landscapes some vivid street scapes, but now we are 532 00:37:57,799 --> 00:37:59,667 street scapes, but now we are back in our Brussels Studio to 533 00:37:59,667 --> 00:38:01,300 back in our Brussels Studio to talk about what we’ve just seen 534 00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:02,733 talk about what we’ve just seen if you have questions or 535 00:38:02,733 --> 00:38:03,467 if you have questions or comments, please do send them 536 00:38:03,467 --> 00:38:05,300 comments, please do send them in using the platform that 537 00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:07,199 in using the platform that you’re viewing this event on 538 00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:09,900 you’re viewing this event on and uh and we will come to your 539 00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:10,933 and uh and we will come to your questions and comments at the 540 00:38:10,933 --> 00:38:11,867 questions and comments at the end, but first of all I’d like 541 00:38:11,867 --> 00:38:13,799 end, but first of all I’d like to turn to one of our our 542 00:38:13,799 --> 00:38:15,300 to turn to one of our our filmmakers who we’ve just seen 543 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:17,733 filmmakers who we’ve just seen but you could tell us why you 544 00:38:17,733 --> 00:38:19,167 but you could tell us why you decided to make this film now 545 00:38:19,167 --> 00:38:21,767 decided to make this film now we’ve just had we’ve. At that 546 00:38:21,767 --> 00:38:23,234 we’ve just had we’ve. At that point in June had emerge from 547 00:38:23,234 --> 00:38:26,233 point in June had emerge from the worst pandemics Europe in a 548 00:38:26,233 --> 00:38:28,500 the worst pandemics Europe in a century. Why did you decide you 549 00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:30,200 century. Why did you decide you need to make a film about this 550 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,600 need to make a film about this subject? well, first of all uh 551 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,534 subject? well, first of all uh there has been uh in during the 552 00:38:34,534 --> 00:38:37,034 there has been uh in during the period of the pandemic uh uh 553 00:38:37,034 --> 00:38:38,667 period of the pandemic uh uh that that that that moment 554 00:38:38,667 --> 00:38:40,534 that that that that moment where everyone was looked down 555 00:38:40,534 --> 00:38:43,299 where everyone was looked down and uh professionally at frugal 556 00:38:43,299 --> 00:38:47,233 and uh professionally at frugal a personally I was helping uh 557 00:38:47,233 --> 00:38:51,734 a personally I was helping uh to uh re re. Are completely the 558 00:38:51,734 --> 00:38:53,700 to uh re re. Are completely the work that we were doing around 559 00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:55,467 work that we were doing around the analysis of the economic 560 00:38:55,467 --> 00:38:58,267 the analysis of the economic impact of Corona virus and that 561 00:38:58,267 --> 00:39:01,734 impact of Corona virus and that stage we started to uh to 562 00:39:01,734 --> 00:39:03,734 stage we started to uh to organize uh several seminars 563 00:39:03,734 --> 00:39:07,233 organize uh several seminars zoom meetings and on around the 564 00:39:07,233 --> 00:39:08,734 zoom meetings and on around the topic, but what was missing at 565 00:39:08,734 --> 00:39:11,567 topic, but what was missing at some point was uh we are the 566 00:39:11,567 --> 00:39:13,633 some point was uh we are the voices from the ground, which 567 00:39:13,633 --> 00:39:17,899 voices from the ground, which was more of a complementary um 568 00:39:17,899 --> 00:39:19,000 was more of a complementary um aspect to the analysis, but 569 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,567 aspect to the analysis, but then on the other hand. Uh less 570 00:39:22,567 --> 00:39:24,400 then on the other hand. Uh less of something that they did by 571 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,333 of something that they did by myself, but more with uh David 572 00:39:28,333 --> 00:39:29,733 myself, but more with uh David and it’s very much linked to 573 00:39:29,733 --> 00:39:33,767 and it’s very much linked to the kind of social um the new 574 00:39:33,767 --> 00:39:36,867 the kind of social um the new social fabric that uh was being 575 00:39:36,867 --> 00:39:39,266 social fabric that uh was being uh temporary constituted during 576 00:39:39,266 --> 00:39:40,767 uh temporary constituted during the lockdown, but which was uh 577 00:39:40,767 --> 00:39:43,299 the lockdown, but which was uh you know like giving some new 578 00:39:43,299 --> 00:39:46,334 you know like giving some new new new new forms of 579 00:39:46,334 --> 00:39:48,301 new new new forms of socialization. For example, I’m 580 00:39:48,301 --> 00:39:50,433 socialization. For example, I’m a David just downstairs my 581 00:39:50,433 --> 00:39:52,434 a David just downstairs my building because and thanks to 582 00:39:52,434 --> 00:39:53,367 building because and thanks to Andre, who’s a friend of mine 583 00:39:53,367 --> 00:39:56,967 Andre, who’s a friend of mine from from. From early on, we 584 00:39:56,967 --> 00:39:59,267 from from. From early on, we met during the lock down and to 585 00:39:59,267 --> 00:40:00,734 met during the lock down and to a certain extent, it was an 586 00:40:00,734 --> 00:40:03,667 a certain extent, it was an experience of reopening that we 587 00:40:03,667 --> 00:40:06,167 experience of reopening that we lived uh a reopening ourselves 588 00:40:06,167 --> 00:40:08,734 lived uh a reopening ourselves in terms of reopening into a 589 00:40:08,734 --> 00:40:09,900 in terms of reopening into a very analog form where 590 00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:12,967 very analog form where everything was digital and 591 00:40:12,967 --> 00:40:15,399 everything was digital and that’s how the brainstorming 592 00:40:15,399 --> 00:40:16,900 that’s how the brainstorming started about. what do we need 593 00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:19,734 started about. what do we need in this moment? How would be 594 00:40:19,734 --> 00:40:21,799 in this moment? How would be interesting to document when 595 00:40:21,799 --> 00:40:23,967 interesting to document when when we heard that the boards 596 00:40:23,967 --> 00:40:25,801 when we heard that the boards might have been hoping it was 597 00:40:25,801 --> 00:40:26,734 might have been hoping it was not even clear, are they going 598 00:40:26,734 --> 00:40:28,000 not even clear, are they going to over on the fifteenth of 599 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,533 to over on the fifteenth of June? Will they open, which 600 00:40:29,533 --> 00:40:32,000 June? Will they open, which one? You know there was a lot 601 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,334 one? You know there was a lot of uncertainty but already the 602 00:40:35,334 --> 00:40:36,833 of uncertainty but already the idea that there was a reopening 603 00:40:36,833 --> 00:40:40,666 idea that there was a reopening of borders led to us to think 604 00:40:40,666 --> 00:40:43,234 of borders led to us to think that this was going to be an 605 00:40:43,234 --> 00:40:44,900 that this was going to be an historical moment, probably an 606 00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:47,200 historical moment, probably an underrated historical moment 607 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,633 underrated historical moment because comparing to other 608 00:40:48,633 --> 00:40:50,234 because comparing to other moments where you know uh 609 00:40:50,234 --> 00:40:53,067 moments where you know uh Europe was uh was uh uh was 610 00:40:53,067 --> 00:40:54,467 Europe was uh was uh uh was more difficult to travel around 611 00:40:54,467 --> 00:40:55,967 more difficult to travel around and and was reopening like if 612 00:40:55,967 --> 00:40:57,967 and and was reopening like if you think about past 1989 and 613 00:40:57,967 --> 00:41:01,866 you think about past 1989 and so that was quite. You know out 614 00:41:01,866 --> 00:41:04,100 so that was quite. You know out there politically, it was a 615 00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:05,567 there politically, it was a celebration full of bearing 616 00:41:05,567 --> 00:41:06,967 celebration full of bearing wall and so now it seems kind 617 00:41:06,967 --> 00:41:09,634 wall and so now it seems kind of underrated and as also, it 618 00:41:09,634 --> 00:41:11,667 of underrated and as also, it was quite limited in time 619 00:41:11,667 --> 00:41:12,433 was quite limited in time because there was a lot of 620 00:41:12,433 --> 00:41:13,799 because there was a lot of uncertainty about the panic 621 00:41:13,799 --> 00:41:16,267 uncertainty about the panic that was continuing to ravage 622 00:41:16,267 --> 00:41:20,367 that was continuing to ravage so it was it was a very uh need 623 00:41:20,367 --> 00:41:21,967 so it was it was a very uh need thing. You know we wanted to go 624 00:41:21,967 --> 00:41:23,867 thing. You know we wanted to go and listen to the people and 625 00:41:23,867 --> 00:41:24,667 and listen to the people and see exactly how they were 626 00:41:24,667 --> 00:41:26,867 see exactly how they were living this weird moment and 627 00:41:26,867 --> 00:41:27,967 living this weird moment and how did you come up with the 628 00:41:27,967 --> 00:41:29,067 how did you come up with the roots that you chose where you 629 00:41:29,067 --> 00:41:32,433 roots that you chose where you were. On the alert for maybe 630 00:41:32,433 --> 00:41:33,667 were. On the alert for maybe this might not be open, you 631 00:41:33,667 --> 00:41:35,467 this might not be open, you cross the Austrian border, and 632 00:41:35,467 --> 00:41:37,267 cross the Austrian border, and you said you you had a bit of 633 00:41:37,267 --> 00:41:38,166 you said you you had a bit of uncertainty about whether it 634 00:41:38,166 --> 00:41:41,266 uncertainty about whether it will be open or not well we had 635 00:41:41,266 --> 00:41:42,000 will be open or not well we had uh a sketch of the road. We 636 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,467 uh a sketch of the road. We knew that we wanted to go from 637 00:41:43,467 --> 00:41:45,699 knew that we wanted to go from place a to place B so from 638 00:41:45,699 --> 00:41:47,434 place a to place B so from brass to Naples, I come from 639 00:41:47,434 --> 00:41:50,900 brass to Naples, I come from Naples uh but uh on the way we 640 00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:52,567 Naples uh but uh on the way we knew we wanted to to to go to 641 00:41:52,567 --> 00:41:53,967 knew we wanted to to to go to certain places, but we also 642 00:41:53,967 --> 00:41:55,734 certain places, but we also knew that regulations might 643 00:41:55,734 --> 00:41:57,734 knew that regulations might have changed suddenly or we 644 00:41:57,734 --> 00:42:00,766 have changed suddenly or we were uncertain if. We’re going 645 00:42:00,766 --> 00:42:03,533 were uncertain if. We’re going to be uh uh lifted or not 646 00:42:03,533 --> 00:42:07,267 to be uh uh lifted or not because when we left uh the the 647 00:42:07,267 --> 00:42:08,634 because when we left uh the the Brussels uh we like for the 648 00:42:08,634 --> 00:42:09,733 Brussels uh we like for the Netherlands where you know the 649 00:42:09,733 --> 00:42:12,300 Netherlands where you know the border was opened before so 650 00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:13,766 border was opened before so there was a certain uncertainty 651 00:42:13,766 --> 00:42:15,467 there was a certain uncertainty along the way and it was part 652 00:42:15,467 --> 00:42:17,700 along the way and it was part of the adventure and and 653 00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:19,434 of the adventure and and Jessica if I can turn to you 654 00:42:19,434 --> 00:42:21,700 Jessica if I can turn to you like me have seen this film for 655 00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:24,434 like me have seen this film for the first time very recently 656 00:42:24,434 --> 00:42:25,267 the first time very recently can you can you share with us? 657 00:42:25,267 --> 00:42:26,700 can you can you share with us? What are your impressions? What 658 00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:27,967 What are your impressions? What did you take away from it? 659 00:42:27,967 --> 00:42:30,634 did you take away from it? Yeah. I like I. Congratulate 660 00:42:30,634 --> 00:42:32,667 Yeah. I like I. Congratulate the filmmakers they’ve been 661 00:42:32,667 --> 00:42:33,267 the filmmakers they’ve been struggling with I think 662 00:42:33,267 --> 00:42:34,966 struggling with I think hundreds of hours of edits. I 663 00:42:34,966 --> 00:42:36,733 hundreds of hours of edits. I really appreciate it. I mean 664 00:42:36,733 --> 00:42:38,634 really appreciate it. I mean it’s done it left me hungry to 665 00:42:38,634 --> 00:42:39,967 it’s done it left me hungry to want to know more stories, 666 00:42:39,967 --> 00:42:41,233 want to know more stories, especially especially 667 00:42:41,233 --> 00:42:42,800 especially especially appreciated that hearing from 668 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,967 appreciated that hearing from the ordinary people. I mean 669 00:42:43,967 --> 00:42:45,367 the ordinary people. I mean we’re all sort of uh drowning 670 00:42:45,367 --> 00:42:47,899 we’re all sort of uh drowning Android tsunami statistics and 671 00:42:47,899 --> 00:42:49,400 Android tsunami statistics and uh you know the opinions of 672 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,766 uh you know the opinions of experts and so as a storyteller 673 00:42:50,766 --> 00:42:52,767 experts and so as a storyteller and I’m very sensitive to 674 00:42:52,767 --> 00:42:53,933 and I’m very sensitive to hearing ordinary people speak, 675 00:42:53,933 --> 00:42:55,133 hearing ordinary people speak, I mean, in particular, there 676 00:42:55,133 --> 00:42:56,533 I mean, in particular, there are a couple of moments that 677 00:42:56,533 --> 00:42:59,900 are a couple of moments that really stand out um. Did I that 678 00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:01,466 really stand out um. Did I that I wanted to mention one for 679 00:43:01,466 --> 00:43:05,300 I wanted to mention one for example, is a volk on the 680 00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:07,966 example, is a volk on the border, The Italian border in 681 00:43:07,966 --> 00:43:11,000 border, The Italian border in uh in uh uh good eats who who 682 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,334 uh in uh uh good eats who who tells the sort of sedentary 683 00:43:13,334 --> 00:43:14,733 tells the sort of sedentary charm small tale of how much 684 00:43:14,733 --> 00:43:16,167 charm small tale of how much they love to watch the trains 685 00:43:16,167 --> 00:43:18,801 they love to watch the trains and you know arrive and depart 686 00:43:18,801 --> 00:43:20,366 and you know arrive and depart and this is for me. I’m alert 687 00:43:20,366 --> 00:43:22,634 and this is for me. I’m alert to these things. This is a 688 00:43:22,634 --> 00:43:24,500 to these things. This is a gorgeous uh uh little story and 689 00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:26,333 gorgeous uh uh little story and a seed of something much richer 690 00:43:26,333 --> 00:43:27,633 a seed of something much richer and deeper. It’s about longing 691 00:43:27,633 --> 00:43:30,000 and deeper. It’s about longing and lost. And all of these 692 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,734 and lost. And all of these things so this is a electric 693 00:43:32,734 --> 00:43:33,867 things so this is a electric for me and then immediately 694 00:43:33,867 --> 00:43:36,167 for me and then immediately after you have this very 695 00:43:36,167 --> 00:43:38,466 after you have this very touching woman Maria uh in the 696 00:43:38,466 --> 00:43:41,867 touching woman Maria uh in the same time in the Nova, it’s uh 697 00:43:41,867 --> 00:43:44,534 same time in the Nova, it’s uh parts with the border. um who 698 00:43:44,534 --> 00:43:45,734 parts with the border. um who reminds us actually and then, 699 00:43:45,734 --> 00:43:47,299 reminds us actually and then, and this is probably one of the 700 00:43:47,299 --> 00:43:49,033 and this is probably one of the most valuable moments of the 701 00:43:49,033 --> 00:43:50,534 most valuable moments of the film who reminds us um uh about 702 00:43:50,534 --> 00:43:52,600 film who reminds us um uh about what a border is. I mean most 703 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,433 what a border is. I mean most people on earth experience 704 00:43:54,433 --> 00:43:56,500 people on earth experience borders as a as a as a front to 705 00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:59,434 borders as a as a as a front to their dignity and as a. Of 706 00:43:59,434 --> 00:44:00,799 their dignity and as a. Of their humanity, and we 707 00:44:00,799 --> 00:44:02,334 their humanity, and we forgotten that a little bit in 708 00:44:02,334 --> 00:44:04,000 forgotten that a little bit in Europe and the young don’t even 709 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,966 Europe and the young don’t even know what a what is? I mean? I 710 00:44:05,966 --> 00:44:07,200 know what a what is? I mean? I love it when one of the 711 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,766 love it when one of the filmmakers as they cross from 712 00:44:08,766 --> 00:44:10,499 filmmakers as they cross from Luxembourg from Belgium to and 713 00:44:10,499 --> 00:44:14,567 Luxembourg from Belgium to and burgers. So let’s say, is that 714 00:44:14,567 --> 00:44:16,834 burgers. So let’s say, is that an order moments because yeah, 715 00:44:16,834 --> 00:44:18,399 an order moments because yeah, it doesn’t have any you know 716 00:44:18,399 --> 00:44:19,834 it doesn’t have any you know many people here don’t 717 00:44:19,834 --> 00:44:21,933 many people here don’t experience borders as others as 718 00:44:21,933 --> 00:44:23,167 experience borders as others as others do I mean most borders 719 00:44:23,167 --> 00:44:23,833 others do I mean most borders are violence and unforgiving 720 00:44:23,833 --> 00:44:25,967 are violence and unforgiving and deadly and points to the 721 00:44:25,967 --> 00:44:28,734 and deadly and points to the south. So this is very very. 722 00:44:28,734 --> 00:44:29,766 south. So this is very very. Very potent and then the last 723 00:44:29,766 --> 00:44:31,334 Very potent and then the last thing I wanted to mention is 724 00:44:31,334 --> 00:44:33,466 thing I wanted to mention is that um uh there was this one 725 00:44:33,466 --> 00:44:37,400 that um uh there was this one anecdote from uh from uh 726 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,033 anecdote from uh from uh cascada um Yi who mentions all 727 00:44:40,033 --> 00:44:41,366 cascada um Yi who mentions all these people who work in this 728 00:44:41,366 --> 00:44:43,400 these people who work in this amusement park. He’s the 729 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,900 amusement park. He’s the manager of amusement grounds or 730 00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:46,266 manager of amusement grounds or so people who are displaced 731 00:44:46,266 --> 00:44:47,467 so people who are displaced where did they go. I mean all 732 00:44:47,467 --> 00:44:48,767 where did they go. I mean all these people who are 733 00:44:48,767 --> 00:44:49,766 these people who are disappearing who are falling 734 00:44:49,766 --> 00:44:51,767 disappearing who are falling under you know off radars and 735 00:44:51,767 --> 00:44:54,734 under you know off radars and and under under you know um out 736 00:44:54,734 --> 00:44:55,933 and under under you know um out of sight and so a lot of 737 00:44:55,933 --> 00:44:58,266 of sight and so a lot of stories are are are boiling and 738 00:44:58,266 --> 00:44:59,867 stories are are are boiling and and around us constantly. So 739 00:44:59,867 --> 00:45:01,266 and around us constantly. So it’s a filmmaker and I’m I’m 740 00:45:01,266 --> 00:45:03,033 it’s a filmmaker and I’m I’m very alert to this. So yeah I 741 00:45:03,033 --> 00:45:05,201 very alert to this. So yeah I wanted. Congratulate them for 742 00:45:05,201 --> 00:45:09,266 wanted. Congratulate them for getting in their car and 743 00:45:09,266 --> 00:45:11,133 getting in their car and accompanying you know uh you 744 00:45:11,133 --> 00:45:13,333 accompanying you know uh you know uh well allowing us to 745 00:45:13,333 --> 00:45:14,534 know uh well allowing us to accompany them all through 746 00:45:14,534 --> 00:45:16,000 accompany them all through these spaces, many of which we 747 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,567 these spaces, many of which we know there’s so iconic uh and 748 00:45:17,567 --> 00:45:18,800 know there’s so iconic uh and you know, reminding us that 749 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:19,933 you know, reminding us that we’re all living through very 750 00:45:19,933 --> 00:45:22,333 we’re all living through very strange time we time and space 751 00:45:22,333 --> 00:45:26,400 strange time we time and space and uh and our mortality and 752 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,667 and uh and our mortality and our our our emotional 753 00:45:27,667 --> 00:45:29,500 our our our emotional landscapes are being uh are 754 00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:31,367 landscapes are being uh are being you know reconsider in 755 00:45:31,367 --> 00:45:34,267 being you know reconsider in very surprising ways it’s. It’s 756 00:45:34,267 --> 00:45:39,233 very surprising ways it’s. It’s a very fascinating time for 757 00:45:39,233 --> 00:45:40,900 a very fascinating time for sure. Yeah. Thank you. Thank 758 00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:43,033 sure. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Jessica. I was also very 759 00:45:43,033 --> 00:45:45,267 you. Jessica. I was also very struck by what people were 760 00:45:45,267 --> 00:45:47,800 struck by what people were saying uh about about borders a 761 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,367 saying uh about about borders a woman uh in al us who said she 762 00:45:49,367 --> 00:45:51,900 woman uh in al us who said she just she didn’t understand the 763 00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:52,900 just she didn’t understand the closure of the borders. It’s 764 00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:54,100 closure of the borders. It’s not it’s not the image of 765 00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:55,867 not it’s not the image of Europe that I have in my head, 766 00:45:55,867 --> 00:45:57,299 Europe that I have in my head, She said that this it’s 767 00:45:57,299 --> 00:45:58,867 She said that this it’s suddenly the that when the 768 00:45:58,867 --> 00:46:00,699 suddenly the that when the boards went up again during the 769 00:46:00,699 --> 00:46:02,334 boards went up again during the pandemic, it made what had been 770 00:46:02,334 --> 00:46:02,900 pandemic, it made what had been invisible visible just as you 771 00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:04,899 invisible visible just as you said at the end of the of the 772 00:46:04,899 --> 00:46:07,200 said at the end of the of the film, it was something. I think 773 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,000 film, it was something. I think so many people so many of us 774 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,333 so many people so many of us take for granted in in the EU, 775 00:46:11,333 --> 00:46:11,867 take for granted in in the EU, the ease of being able to cross 776 00:46:11,867 --> 00:46:14,434 the ease of being able to cross the border without having to 777 00:46:14,434 --> 00:46:15,434 the border without having to show a passport and then 778 00:46:15,434 --> 00:46:17,967 show a passport and then suddenly suddenly they were 779 00:46:17,967 --> 00:46:19,534 suddenly suddenly they were accused. Suddenly there were 780 00:46:19,534 --> 00:46:20,733 accused. Suddenly there were there were travel restrictions 781 00:46:20,733 --> 00:46:22,900 there were travel restrictions and it was it was a very 782 00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:24,900 and it was it was a very different reality and and 783 00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:26,367 different reality and and Jessica I also wanted to ask 784 00:46:26,367 --> 00:46:28,833 Jessica I also wanted to ask you cuz we know so much for 785 00:46:28,833 --> 00:46:31,267 you cuz we know so much for that, the policy reports and 786 00:46:31,267 --> 00:46:32,000 that, the policy reports and they’re very serious analysis 787 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,434 they’re very serious analysis that they provide to policy 788 00:46:35,434 --> 00:46:36,133 that they provide to policy makers in the European Union. 789 00:46:36,133 --> 00:46:37,000 makers in the European Union. But what what do you think that 790 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,967 But what what do you think that a document? You can bring this 791 00:46:38,967 --> 00:46:41,800 a document? You can bring this sort of this policy political 792 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,634 sort of this policy political world is very analytical world. 793 00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:45,200 world is very analytical world. What do you think is the extra 794 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,767 What do you think is the extra dimension that you would like 795 00:46:46,767 --> 00:46:48,000 dimension that you would like policy makers to take away from 796 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,999 policy makers to take away from this film? Uh I mean I think 797 00:46:50,999 --> 00:46:52,467 this film? Uh I mean I think that’s uh what what’s missing? 798 00:46:52,467 --> 00:46:55,167 that’s uh what what’s missing? Sometimes I mean some for some 799 00:46:55,167 --> 00:46:57,267 Sometimes I mean some for some people statistics and you know 800 00:46:57,267 --> 00:46:58,834 people statistics and you know read about policy and this 801 00:46:58,834 --> 00:47:00,634 read about policy and this conversations and other uh um 802 00:47:00,634 --> 00:47:02,834 conversations and other uh um uh it’s a it’s a it’s an 803 00:47:02,834 --> 00:47:04,233 uh it’s a it’s a it’s an exciting lab and playground, 804 00:47:04,233 --> 00:47:05,833 exciting lab and playground, but for many of us, it’s really 805 00:47:05,833 --> 00:47:08,400 but for many of us, it’s really dull and to be honest stories 806 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,400 dull and to be honest stories are quick. stories are 807 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,133 are quick. stories are critical. I mean it’s it’s a 808 00:47:11,133 --> 00:47:12,000 critical. I mean it’s it’s a it’s a it’s essential as 809 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,400 it’s a it’s essential as oxygen. so. We need to I mean 810 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,299 oxygen. so. We need to I mean hopefully your team to set for 811 00:47:17,299 --> 00:47:17,866 hopefully your team to set for you and your team will go on 812 00:47:17,866 --> 00:47:20,334 you and your team will go on and and dig deeper and and 813 00:47:20,334 --> 00:47:24,433 and and dig deeper and and continue your documentary 814 00:47:24,433 --> 00:47:25,666 continue your documentary careers. We need life. We need 815 00:47:25,666 --> 00:47:26,833 careers. We need life. We need blood. We need tears. We need 816 00:47:26,833 --> 00:47:27,800 blood. We need tears. We need these things we need to cuz 817 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,400 these things we need to cuz this is what we live through 818 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,400 this is what we live through you know and uh and uh and I 819 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,266 you know and uh and uh and I think it’s important to mention 820 00:47:33,266 --> 00:47:34,766 think it’s important to mention especially in this time, which 821 00:47:34,766 --> 00:47:35,799 especially in this time, which is a very in a sense of dark 822 00:47:35,799 --> 00:47:38,000 is a very in a sense of dark time. I think there are there 823 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,534 time. I think there are there are two people now on earth. 824 00:47:39,534 --> 00:47:42,734 are two people now on earth. those who’ve been struck by the 825 00:47:42,734 --> 00:47:43,833 those who’ve been struck by the virus who lost loved ones and 826 00:47:43,833 --> 00:47:45,399 virus who lost loved ones and those who have not where it 827 00:47:45,399 --> 00:47:47,834 those who have not where it remains a kind of abstract uh 828 00:47:47,834 --> 00:47:51,233 remains a kind of abstract uh annoyance in. And um yeah, I 829 00:47:51,233 --> 00:47:53,867 annoyance in. And um yeah, I was wondering if I mean uh for 830 00:47:53,867 --> 00:47:55,299 was wondering if I mean uh for those who’ve lost dear ones how 831 00:47:55,299 --> 00:47:56,700 those who’ve lost dear ones how they experience watching this 832 00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:58,000 they experience watching this and I’m sure there are a few 833 00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,466 and I’m sure there are a few watching now uh at this 834 00:47:59,466 --> 00:48:00,733 watching now uh at this particular moment, so it would 835 00:48:00,733 --> 00:48:01,833 particular moment, so it would be nice to hear from them. Uh 836 00:48:01,833 --> 00:48:04,866 be nice to hear from them. Uh you know what how how it’s 837 00:48:04,866 --> 00:48:06,367 you know what how how it’s storytelling and documentary uh 838 00:48:06,367 --> 00:48:08,434 storytelling and documentary uh help them in a in a in a in a 839 00:48:08,434 --> 00:48:10,399 help them in a in a in a in a sort of healing process or help 840 00:48:10,399 --> 00:48:14,534 sort of healing process or help uh to to digest uh all these 841 00:48:14,534 --> 00:48:16,634 uh to to digest uh all these complex emotions unexpected 842 00:48:16,634 --> 00:48:17,300 complex emotions unexpected challenges that we’re facing 843 00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:20,267 challenges that we’re facing and and tremendous loss. On 844 00:48:20,267 --> 00:48:23,199 and and tremendous loss. On every level, um maybe I would 845 00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:24,900 every level, um maybe I would want to add something uh 846 00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:27,500 want to add something uh exactly on this point about uh 847 00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:30,600 exactly on this point about uh the the kind of healing process 848 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,167 the the kind of healing process that uh a treat like this, but 849 00:48:32,167 --> 00:48:33,700 that uh a treat like this, but also like this being on 850 00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:35,833 also like this being on listening mode uh has allowed 851 00:48:35,833 --> 00:48:37,966 listening mode uh has allowed us to reflect upon because in a 852 00:48:37,966 --> 00:48:40,467 us to reflect upon because in a lot of places just simply the 853 00:48:40,467 --> 00:48:41,767 lot of places just simply the fact that we were there with 854 00:48:41,767 --> 00:48:44,233 fact that we were there with the microphone and the camera 855 00:48:44,233 --> 00:48:47,367 the microphone and the camera places that uh had never seen 856 00:48:47,367 --> 00:48:48,534 places that uh had never seen someone coming from Brussels, 857 00:48:48,534 --> 00:48:50,400 someone coming from Brussels, you know like even if we. 858 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,699 you know like even if we. Coming from an institution that 859 00:48:52,699 --> 00:48:54,167 Coming from an institution that we’re coming from a team or 860 00:48:54,167 --> 00:48:56,733 we’re coming from a team or like it was a troop of of uh 861 00:48:56,733 --> 00:48:59,366 like it was a troop of of uh tree tree film makers, but the 862 00:48:59,366 --> 00:49:00,767 tree tree film makers, but the fact that we were coming from 863 00:49:00,767 --> 00:49:03,567 fact that we were coming from Brussels and we were listening 864 00:49:03,567 --> 00:49:05,833 Brussels and we were listening to their stories that was 865 00:49:05,833 --> 00:49:07,200 to their stories that was already in itself, something 866 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,767 already in itself, something that was important and that 867 00:49:08,767 --> 00:49:10,267 that was important and that showed something or maybe show 868 00:49:10,267 --> 00:49:11,799 showed something or maybe show something about how it is 869 00:49:11,799 --> 00:49:13,967 something about how it is important to uh when it comes 870 00:49:13,967 --> 00:49:15,967 important to uh when it comes to policy making to uh to 871 00:49:15,967 --> 00:49:19,300 to policy making to uh to listen to everyone uh from the 872 00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:22,233 listen to everyone uh from the CEOs from from politicians to 873 00:49:22,233 --> 00:49:23,800 CEOs from from politicians to uh you know the truck drivers 874 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,467 uh you know the truck drivers at the at the at the gas 875 00:49:25,467 --> 00:49:28,834 at the at the at the gas station. Luxembourg This 876 00:49:28,834 --> 00:49:31,234 station. Luxembourg This diversity of voices that was 877 00:49:31,234 --> 00:49:33,800 diversity of voices that was really the most part of uh of 878 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,767 really the most part of uh of the world uh of the world 879 00:49:36,767 --> 00:49:38,300 the world uh of the world process uh in in that term, so 880 00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:40,800 process uh in in that term, so that’s that’s more from down in 881 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,200 that’s that’s more from down in terms of what kind of impact 882 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,700 terms of what kind of impact this listening mode has and the 883 00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:46,633 this listening mode has and the people that we met then on the 884 00:49:46,633 --> 00:49:47,700 people that we met then on the other hand would be what we 885 00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:51,300 other hand would be what we hope to achieve as well is uh 886 00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:53,967 hope to achieve as well is uh to have faces and stories as 887 00:49:53,967 --> 00:49:57,134 to have faces and stories as you say uh Jessica. Faces and 888 00:49:57,134 --> 00:49:59,333 you say uh Jessica. Faces and stories attached to numbers you 889 00:49:59,333 --> 00:50:01,299 stories attached to numbers you know like when we speak about 890 00:50:01,299 --> 00:50:03,400 know like when we speak about uh certain themes even here 891 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,667 uh certain themes even here during the frugal annual 892 00:50:04,667 --> 00:50:05,567 during the frugal annual meetings, we’ve been having in 893 00:50:05,567 --> 00:50:07,733 meetings, we’ve been having in the in the in the past few days 894 00:50:07,733 --> 00:50:09,266 the in the in the past few days uh yesterday and today spoke 895 00:50:09,266 --> 00:50:10,734 uh yesterday and today spoke about the future work we speak 896 00:50:10,734 --> 00:50:12,267 about the future work we speak and talk about climate change, 897 00:50:12,267 --> 00:50:13,533 and talk about climate change, which means speaking about the 898 00:50:13,533 --> 00:50:15,767 which means speaking about the impact and and uh how the 899 00:50:15,767 --> 00:50:17,201 impact and and uh how the recovery uh the economic 900 00:50:17,201 --> 00:50:19,533 recovery uh the economic recovery should help uh you 901 00:50:19,533 --> 00:50:21,500 recovery should help uh you know uh uh a certain a certain 902 00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:23,334 know uh uh a certain a certain type of growth in Europe at the 903 00:50:23,334 --> 00:50:24,467 type of growth in Europe at the end of the day, this kind of 904 00:50:24,467 --> 00:50:27,033 end of the day, this kind of things. Why we are doing this, 905 00:50:27,033 --> 00:50:29,000 things. Why we are doing this, I mean why we are explaining 906 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,233 I mean why we are explaining why we’re actually doing this 907 00:50:30,233 --> 00:50:31,966 why we’re actually doing this analysis is actually not 908 00:50:31,966 --> 00:50:33,466 analysis is actually not because they are happen in a 909 00:50:33,466 --> 00:50:35,833 because they are happen in a vacuum but they’re happening 910 00:50:35,833 --> 00:50:37,567 vacuum but they’re happening because they’re real people who 911 00:50:37,567 --> 00:50:38,866 because they’re real people who have real stories and this kind 912 00:50:38,866 --> 00:50:41,333 have real stories and this kind of stories needs to be present 913 00:50:41,333 --> 00:50:43,800 of stories needs to be present in this uh in this political 914 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,400 in this uh in this political narratives, they need to be 915 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,967 narratives, they need to be there otherwise uh there is a 916 00:50:47,967 --> 00:50:50,167 there otherwise uh there is a disconnect and and we all know 917 00:50:50,167 --> 00:50:51,067 disconnect and and we all know what can happen when there is a 918 00:50:51,067 --> 00:50:52,867 what can happen when there is a complete disconnect. So that’s 919 00:50:52,867 --> 00:50:55,800 complete disconnect. So that’s uh I would say like. Some a 920 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,666 uh I would say like. Some a salary of uh of the two aspects 921 00:50:58,666 --> 00:50:59,967 salary of uh of the two aspects that we’re underlying the 922 00:50:59,967 --> 00:51:02,201 that we’re underlying the process that we did on the road 923 00:51:02,201 --> 00:51:05,400 process that we did on the road with the with and David and me 924 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,500 with the with and David and me I think it’s a really 925 00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:07,233 I think it’s a really interesting point from both of 926 00:51:07,233 --> 00:51:09,434 interesting point from both of you about how we are our 927 00:51:09,434 --> 00:51:11,033 you about how we are our politics need stories and we 928 00:51:11,033 --> 00:51:13,200 politics need stories and we can’t just rely on abstract 929 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,800 can’t just rely on abstract statistics and numbers and 930 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,267 statistics and numbers and politicians need to be able to 931 00:51:16,267 --> 00:51:18,900 politicians need to be able to communicate in in in stories to 932 00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:21,934 communicate in in in stories to express their ideas and I time 933 00:51:21,934 --> 00:51:23,266 express their ideas and I time is is quite limited so and I 934 00:51:23,266 --> 00:51:25,633 is is quite limited so and I would like. Some questions that 935 00:51:25,633 --> 00:51:26,166 would like. Some questions that have come through. I think 936 00:51:26,166 --> 00:51:27,667 have come through. I think there’s some really interesting 937 00:51:27,667 --> 00:51:29,333 there’s some really interesting questions and let me start with 938 00:51:29,333 --> 00:51:30,700 questions and let me start with a question from Catherine uh to 939 00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:33,400 a question from Catherine uh to you Giuseppe she would like to 940 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,000 you Giuseppe she would like to know, did the trip make you 941 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,234 know, did the trip make you more hopeful or more 942 00:51:36,234 --> 00:51:38,133 more hopeful or more pessimistic about Europe? How 943 00:51:38,133 --> 00:51:39,933 pessimistic about Europe? How did you see it before and how 944 00:51:39,933 --> 00:51:43,801 did you see it before and how do you see it now well a very 945 00:51:43,801 --> 00:51:49,233 do you see it now well a very easy question? um so uh I in 946 00:51:49,233 --> 00:51:51,034 easy question? um so uh I in general. it didn’t make me less 947 00:51:51,034 --> 00:51:52,834 general. it didn’t make me less hopeful, which is already uh uh 948 00:51:52,834 --> 00:51:57,366 hopeful, which is already uh uh a big achievement. Uh 949 00:51:57,366 --> 00:51:58,567 a big achievement. Uh personally, then unfortunately 950 00:51:58,567 --> 00:52:01,233 personally, then unfortunately and and we couldn’t be there 951 00:52:01,233 --> 00:52:03,700 and and we couldn’t be there with the for this but 952 00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:04,367 with the for this but personally what we gathered 953 00:52:04,367 --> 00:52:09,333 personally what we gathered there was uh I say one hand a 954 00:52:09,333 --> 00:52:10,233 there was uh I say one hand a certain frustration. There was 955 00:52:10,233 --> 00:52:11,933 certain frustration. There was always this kind of 956 00:52:11,933 --> 00:52:13,200 always this kind of contradiction in every single 957 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,801 contradiction in every single places. We’ve been uh we’ve 958 00:52:14,801 --> 00:52:16,500 places. We’ve been uh we’ve been going from the from the 959 00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:18,167 been going from the from the person that was crossing the 960 00:52:18,167 --> 00:52:19,966 person that was crossing the river mass. That was say, Oh, 961 00:52:19,966 --> 00:52:22,833 river mass. That was say, Oh, finally I can connect uh 962 00:52:22,833 --> 00:52:23,899 finally I can connect uh Belgium with the Netherlands 963 00:52:23,899 --> 00:52:26,400 Belgium with the Netherlands but then frustration because 964 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:27,967 but then frustration because the rules were not applying in 965 00:52:27,967 --> 00:52:29,634 the rules were not applying in the same way in Belgium and the 966 00:52:29,634 --> 00:52:33,167 the same way in Belgium and the Netherlands and this was. 967 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,000 In regards to what the European 968 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,200 In regards to what the European Union would be for him and and 969 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,666 Union would be for him and and and same thing across the way 970 00:52:38,666 --> 00:52:41,200 and same thing across the way like the Franco Mall as well, 971 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,334 like the Franco Mall as well, you can see a lot of 972 00:52:42,334 --> 00:52:42,934 you can see a lot of contradictions and all these 973 00:52:42,934 --> 00:52:44,534 contradictions and all these kind of contradictions between 974 00:52:44,534 --> 00:52:46,833 kind of contradictions between different levels and who takes 975 00:52:46,833 --> 00:52:48,200 different levels and who takes decisions for whom and I think 976 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,767 decisions for whom and I think this was quite clear. you know 977 00:52:49,767 --> 00:52:51,667 this was quite clear. you know like all these governance uh 978 00:52:51,667 --> 00:52:54,867 like all these governance uh around like uh you have good 979 00:52:54,867 --> 00:52:56,334 around like uh you have good examples Cross-border 980 00:52:56,334 --> 00:52:57,934 examples Cross-border Corporation at local level, but 981 00:52:57,934 --> 00:53:01,200 Corporation at local level, but at the same time a lot of. Of 982 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,799 at the same time a lot of. Of uh flukes about that that that 983 00:53:03,799 --> 00:53:05,467 uh flukes about that that that that has been more than I mean 984 00:53:05,467 --> 00:53:08,201 that has been more than I mean I wouldn’t say neither hopeful 985 00:53:08,201 --> 00:53:09,767 I wouldn’t say neither hopeful hopeful in a pessimistic, but I 986 00:53:09,767 --> 00:53:11,933 hopeful in a pessimistic, but I think that uh it’s uh as they 987 00:53:11,933 --> 00:53:13,667 think that uh it’s uh as they say that towards the end the 988 00:53:13,667 --> 00:53:16,300 say that towards the end the pandemic provided or like the 989 00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:18,767 pandemic provided or like the tree provided some sort of uh 990 00:53:18,767 --> 00:53:21,234 tree provided some sort of uh view in high definition of the 991 00:53:21,234 --> 00:53:22,800 view in high definition of the contradictions that uh that 992 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,433 contradictions that uh that people have been living through 993 00:53:24,433 --> 00:53:25,566 people have been living through and that people have been 994 00:53:25,566 --> 00:53:27,533 and that people have been living through also before pics 995 00:53:27,533 --> 00:53:29,834 living through also before pics and and another question. I’d 996 00:53:29,834 --> 00:53:31,600 and and another question. I’d like to put you uh I should’ve 997 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,167 like to put you uh I should’ve asked our audience if they 998 00:53:33,167 --> 00:53:35,434 asked our audience if they could name themselves. Uh we’re 999 00:53:35,434 --> 00:53:36,367 could name themselves. Uh we’re asking a question, but I’ll 1000 00:53:36,367 --> 00:53:38,866 asking a question, but I’ll I’ll take this one from from an 1001 00:53:38,866 --> 00:53:41,367 I’ll take this one from from an anonymous um he, he says. It’s 1002 00:53:41,367 --> 00:53:42,133 anonymous um he, he says. It’s a good film, but it would have 1003 00:53:42,133 --> 00:53:44,400 a good film, but it would have been also good to interview 1004 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,099 been also good to interview some health officials uh about 1005 00:53:47,099 --> 00:53:48,400 some health officials uh about the situation and he points out 1006 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,733 the situation and he points out the travel was responsible for 1007 00:53:50,733 --> 00:53:53,199 the travel was responsible for the virus transmission and 1008 00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:55,867 the virus transmission and another uh another viewer would 1009 00:53:55,867 --> 00:53:57,367 another uh another viewer would like to know how you chose the 1010 00:53:57,367 --> 00:53:58,733 like to know how you chose the root and why didn’t you go to 1011 00:53:58,733 --> 00:54:00,467 root and why didn’t you go to to Milan to Lombard where the 1012 00:54:00,467 --> 00:54:01,666 to Milan to Lombard where the epicenter where the weather 1013 00:54:01,666 --> 00:54:05,201 epicenter where the weather where you are. You really began 1014 00:54:05,201 --> 00:54:06,934 where you are. You really began so uh quite simple. so first of 1015 00:54:06,934 --> 00:54:09,301 so uh quite simple. so first of all, yes we would have love to 1016 00:54:09,301 --> 00:54:11,734 all, yes we would have love to and again. We even say it up 1017 00:54:11,734 --> 00:54:12,400 and again. We even say it up front at the beginning of the 1018 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,399 front at the beginning of the movie with I’d love to speak 1019 00:54:14,399 --> 00:54:15,833 movie with I’d love to speak with thousands of more people 1020 00:54:15,833 --> 00:54:18,867 with thousands of more people and go 2000 more places, and, 1021 00:54:18,867 --> 00:54:19,900 and go 2000 more places, and, for example, when it comes to 1022 00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:21,300 for example, when it comes to the root, we knew very much 1023 00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:22,600 the root, we knew very much that there was a limitation, so 1024 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:23,766 that there was a limitation, so we had to make some choices and 1025 00:54:23,766 --> 00:54:25,166 we had to make some choices and I come to the choices in a 1026 00:54:25,166 --> 00:54:26,900 I come to the choices in a second. The interesting thing 1027 00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:29,334 second. The interesting thing is that along the roads we had 1028 00:54:29,334 --> 00:54:31,799 is that along the roads we had a lot of people because the 1029 00:54:31,799 --> 00:54:33,400 a lot of people because the reopening the project was also 1030 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,433 reopening the project was also uh during events on the road uh 1031 00:54:36,433 --> 00:54:37,600 uh during events on the road uh connecting to live streams 1032 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,999 connecting to live streams doing uh doing. 1033 00:55:08,301 --> 00:55:10,734 Comes to lumber, It was a clear 1034 00:55:10,734 --> 00:55:12,267 Comes to lumber, It was a clear choice, not to go there because 1035 00:55:12,267 --> 00:55:13,734 choice, not to go there because the situation of the pandemics 1036 00:55:13,734 --> 00:55:16,400 the situation of the pandemics and the infection rate wasn’t 1037 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,699 and the infection rate wasn’t really uh you know it was still 1038 00:55:18,699 --> 00:55:20,500 really uh you know it was still quite uh quite high. so it 1039 00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:22,633 quite uh quite high. so it wasn’t the safest thing to do 1040 00:55:22,633 --> 00:55:24,600 wasn’t the safest thing to do uh in terms of traveling all 1041 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,734 uh in terms of traveling all over and meeting so many people 1042 00:55:27,734 --> 00:55:29,667 over and meeting so many people afterwards, so it was also a 1043 00:55:29,667 --> 00:55:32,400 afterwards, so it was also a you know a choice not to go 1044 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,033 you know a choice not to go there for for for for this 1045 00:55:34,033 --> 00:55:35,300 there for for for for this reason, and that’s very 1046 00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:37,866 reason, and that’s very specific moment. Jessica. I can 1047 00:55:37,866 --> 00:55:40,234 specific moment. Jessica. I can turn to you with my own 1048 00:55:40,234 --> 00:55:41,533 turn to you with my own question. What were your 1049 00:55:41,533 --> 00:55:42,667 question. What were your expectations when you first 1050 00:55:42,667 --> 00:55:45,167 expectations when you first heard about this project and 1051 00:55:45,167 --> 00:55:45,967 heard about this project and what was it about? Was there 1052 00:55:45,967 --> 00:55:47,201 what was it about? Was there anything about the film that 1053 00:55:47,201 --> 00:55:49,400 anything about the film that surprised you and how they how 1054 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,500 surprised you and how they how the filmmakers approached the 1055 00:55:51,500 --> 00:55:54,400 the filmmakers approached the subject. Well, having made uh a 1056 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,567 subject. Well, having made uh a road movie across Europe, a lot 1057 00:55:56,567 --> 00:55:59,199 road movie across Europe, a lot of it’s very familiar um uh I 1058 00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:00,733 of it’s very familiar um uh I think they stuck a good balance 1059 00:56:00,733 --> 00:56:02,466 think they stuck a good balance between ordinary voices and 1060 00:56:02,466 --> 00:56:04,733 between ordinary voices and those who know policy makers or 1061 00:56:04,733 --> 00:56:06,200 those who know policy makers or experts or CEOs. So this is 1062 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,233 experts or CEOs. So this is this is very satisfying. I 1063 00:56:08,233 --> 00:56:16,300 this is very satisfying. I think um uh II think that uh 1064 00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:17,067 think um uh II think that uh there were no there were no 1065 00:56:17,067 --> 00:56:18,467 there were no there were no great surprises. I think we’re 1066 00:56:18,467 --> 00:56:20,233 great surprises. I think we’re so stuck to our screens now 1067 00:56:20,233 --> 00:56:21,767 so stuck to our screens now we’ve seen Venice empty. We’ve 1068 00:56:21,767 --> 00:56:23,300 we’ve seen Venice empty. We’ve we’ve heard some of these 1069 00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:25,066 we’ve heard some of these stories before, but the way 1070 00:56:25,066 --> 00:56:26,399 stories before, but the way it’s woven together is very 1071 00:56:26,399 --> 00:56:28,933 it’s woven together is very it’s too strong and uh and. 1072 00:56:28,933 --> 00:56:30,334 it’s too strong and uh and. From beginning to end the time 1073 00:56:30,334 --> 00:56:32,467 From beginning to end the time goes by like this and so it’s a 1074 00:56:32,467 --> 00:56:33,966 goes by like this and so it’s a small luxury to go on this trip 1075 00:56:33,966 --> 00:56:36,300 small luxury to go on this trip with them, which they really 1076 00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:39,266 with them, which they really enjoy if I have something for 1077 00:56:39,266 --> 00:56:40,767 enjoy if I have something for Jessica because uh uh it’s not 1078 00:56:40,767 --> 00:56:42,733 Jessica because uh uh it’s not it’s not by chance that uh that 1079 00:56:42,733 --> 00:56:45,767 it’s not by chance that uh that we wanted you uh to to be here 1080 00:56:45,767 --> 00:56:47,467 we wanted you uh to to be here because uh the king of the 1081 00:56:47,467 --> 00:56:49,967 because uh the king of the Belgians, which is uh your 1082 00:56:49,967 --> 00:56:52,600 Belgians, which is uh your documentary and road trip uh 1083 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,300 documentary and road trip uh between Turkey and the middle 1084 00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:57,467 between Turkey and the middle of the Bal and uh was some sort 1085 00:56:57,467 --> 00:57:00,767 of the Bal and uh was some sort of. As well because uh I mean 1086 00:57:00,767 --> 00:57:03,167 of. As well because uh I mean I’m a big fan of that movie and 1087 00:57:03,167 --> 00:57:04,867 I’m a big fan of that movie and uh and there are a lot of 1088 00:57:04,867 --> 00:57:07,833 uh and there are a lot of things that are in in in that 1089 00:57:07,833 --> 00:57:09,634 things that are in in in that movie and also in barefoot, 1090 00:57:09,634 --> 00:57:11,700 movie and also in barefoot, which is the sequel, which are 1091 00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:13,767 which is the sequel, which are very present. I mean, at least 1092 00:57:13,767 --> 00:57:15,767 very present. I mean, at least in another style and another 1093 00:57:15,767 --> 00:57:18,167 in another style and another form or another another genre, 1094 00:57:18,167 --> 00:57:19,834 form or another another genre, but basically this willingness 1095 00:57:19,834 --> 00:57:24,000 but basically this willingness to explore uh what is Europe uh 1096 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,833 to explore uh what is Europe uh through traveling across Europe 1097 00:57:25,833 --> 00:57:26,999 through traveling across Europe through speaking to people to 1098 00:57:26,999 --> 00:57:29,267 through speaking to people to bring. And this is something 1099 00:57:29,267 --> 00:57:32,766 bring. And this is something that uh I think not many um it 1100 00:57:32,766 --> 00:57:35,466 that uh I think not many um it is not seen so much in in 1101 00:57:35,466 --> 00:57:37,366 is not seen so much in in cinematography in documentary 1102 00:57:37,366 --> 00:57:39,834 cinematography in documentary or like in news stories is seen 1103 00:57:39,834 --> 00:57:43,300 or like in news stories is seen but uh in a very poetic matter 1104 00:57:43,300 --> 00:57:45,266 but uh in a very poetic matter rather than you know like let’s 1105 00:57:45,266 --> 00:57:46,500 rather than you know like let’s hear what the people have to 1106 00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:48,800 hear what the people have to say let’s have this gentle 1107 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,299 say let’s have this gentle touch to things and from this 1108 00:57:50,299 --> 00:57:51,667 touch to things and from this point of view this kind of 1109 00:57:51,667 --> 00:57:53,100 point of view this kind of gentle touch on different 1110 00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:55,933 gentle touch on different subjects that sometimes can be 1111 00:57:55,933 --> 00:57:58,400 subjects that sometimes can be really strong like you know. 1112 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,300 really strong like you know. The story the story of uh you 1113 00:58:02,300 --> 00:58:05,133 The story the story of uh you know uh uh of the of the you 1114 00:58:05,133 --> 00:58:06,867 know uh uh of the of the you know the testimony of crossing 1115 00:58:06,867 --> 00:58:08,833 know the testimony of crossing the border and then having 1116 00:58:08,833 --> 00:58:10,500 the border and then having friends being raped and and and 1117 00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:11,799 friends being raped and and and and it’s not something like 1118 00:58:11,799 --> 00:58:13,634 and it’s not something like neither something like that the 1119 00:58:13,634 --> 00:58:14,933 neither something like that the black life matters at the 1120 00:58:14,933 --> 00:58:16,666 black life matters at the beginning you know or or other 1121 00:58:16,666 --> 00:58:20,867 beginning you know or or other parts of the movie, but that 1122 00:58:20,867 --> 00:58:22,333 parts of the movie, but that was very inspirational from 1123 00:58:22,333 --> 00:58:24,533 was very inspirational from your uh film making uh as well 1124 00:58:24,533 --> 00:58:25,634 your uh film making uh as well about treating this kind of 1125 00:58:25,634 --> 00:58:28,967 about treating this kind of things with. 1126 00:58:58,234 --> 00:58:59,333 And we choose what we know in 1127 00:58:59,333 --> 00:58:59,967 And we choose what we know in the case of King of the 1128 00:58:59,967 --> 00:59:01,634 the case of King of the Belgians, the Belgian as we are 1129 00:59:01,634 --> 00:59:03,167 Belgians, the Belgian as we are all very good at making fun of 1130 00:59:03,167 --> 00:59:06,734 all very good at making fun of ourselves we this actually is a 1131 00:59:06,734 --> 00:59:08,633 ourselves we this actually is a bridge this brass borders. you 1132 00:59:08,633 --> 00:59:09,533 bridge this brass borders. you know it brings people together 1133 00:59:09,533 --> 00:59:11,866 know it brings people together and this is so and the fact 1134 00:59:11,866 --> 00:59:13,200 and this is so and the fact that it’s it’s uh it’s not 1135 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,767 that it’s it’s uh it’s not pretentious. I mean it’s it’s a 1136 00:59:15,767 --> 00:59:17,734 pretentious. I mean it’s it’s a great quality of the film. 1137 00:59:17,734 --> 00:59:21,167 great quality of the film. Thank you one other question 1138 00:59:21,167 --> 00:59:22,266 Thank you one other question that occurred to me watching 1139 00:59:22,266 --> 00:59:24,767 that occurred to me watching this film is the the femur 1140 00:59:24,767 --> 00:59:26,767 this film is the the femur obviously of people missing 1141 00:59:26,767 --> 00:59:28,534 obviously of people missing their ease of being able to 1142 00:59:28,534 --> 00:59:29,967 their ease of being able to cross the borders and people 1143 00:59:29,967 --> 00:59:31,967 cross the borders and people suddenly. The inconvenience of 1144 00:59:31,967 --> 00:59:33,400 suddenly. The inconvenience of borders that came out really 1145 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:34,801 borders that came out really strongly, but these of course 1146 00:59:34,801 --> 00:59:36,400 strongly, but these of course are all people who are living 1147 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,800 are all people who are living well often living in board of 1148 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,933 well often living in board of regions not always but often or 1149 00:59:39,933 --> 00:59:41,266 regions not always but often or living in big cities that are 1150 00:59:41,266 --> 00:59:42,800 living in big cities that are very international. that have a 1151 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,400 very international. that have a lot of tourists that are um 1152 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,266 lot of tourists that are um that have a lot of visitors and 1153 00:59:46,266 --> 00:59:47,200 that have a lot of visitors and I was curious as to whether you 1154 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,233 I was curious as to whether you had any thoughts about making a 1155 00:59:49,233 --> 00:59:51,134 had any thoughts about making a sequel. maybe about the regions 1156 00:59:51,134 --> 00:59:52,400 sequel. maybe about the regions that are or the small towns 1157 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,633 that are or the small towns that are deep in the hearts of 1158 00:59:55,633 --> 00:59:57,234 that are deep in the hearts of a country far away from any 1159 00:59:57,234 --> 00:59:58,533 a country far away from any border where we might find very 1160 00:59:58,533 --> 01:00:01,200 border where we might find very different attitudes to. To 1161 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,299 different attitudes to. To borders and to the EU, uh we 1162 01:00:04,299 --> 01:00:06,767 borders and to the EU, uh we had this discussion in this 1163 01:00:06,767 --> 01:00:08,267 had this discussion in this conversation during the trip, 1164 01:00:08,267 --> 01:00:10,733 conversation during the trip, we had this reflection that uh 1165 01:00:10,733 --> 01:00:12,533 we had this reflection that uh it would be very interesting to 1166 01:00:12,533 --> 01:00:15,100 it would be very interesting to to make a comparison between 1167 01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:17,533 to make a comparison between the border regions and uh it 1168 01:00:17,533 --> 01:00:18,767 the border regions and uh it was a certain extent we did 1169 01:00:18,767 --> 01:00:21,867 was a certain extent we did because the place we go. okay. 1170 01:00:21,867 --> 01:00:23,333 because the place we go. okay. Nothing is really far away from 1171 01:00:23,333 --> 01:00:25,167 Nothing is really far away from the border in Slovenia, but for 1172 01:00:25,167 --> 01:00:27,867 the border in Slovenia, but for the scale of the country, scuff 1173 01:00:27,867 --> 01:00:30,000 the scale of the country, scuff of scotch is uh is not really a 1174 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,900 of scotch is uh is not really a boarder about the region. Those 1175 01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:34,700 boarder about the region. Those are the. Not to see the center 1176 01:00:34,700 --> 01:00:37,000 are the. Not to see the center but on the on the outskirts we 1177 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,800 but on the on the outskirts we went to interview uh the shoe 1178 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,600 went to interview uh the shoe maker uh factory this was in a 1179 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:43,699 maker uh factory this was in a smaller town. It’s more of a 1180 01:00:43,699 --> 01:00:45,600 smaller town. It’s more of a smaller little village uh you 1181 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:46,934 smaller little village uh you know thirty kilometers from 1182 01:00:46,934 --> 01:00:48,933 know thirty kilometers from from uh from Naples and this 1183 01:00:48,933 --> 01:00:50,299 from uh from Naples and this car as well. It’s really like 1184 01:00:50,299 --> 01:00:52,966 car as well. It’s really like far away from roots and stuff 1185 01:00:52,966 --> 01:00:54,900 far away from roots and stuff like this. so we try to do it 1186 01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:58,334 like this. so we try to do it uh but of course I mean like we 1187 01:00:58,334 --> 01:00:59,933 uh but of course I mean like we see the potential for the there 1188 01:00:59,933 --> 01:01:01,933 see the potential for the there was a limitation that was 1189 01:01:01,933 --> 01:01:03,800 was a limitation that was temporary because. They were 1190 01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,567 temporary because. They were these 2 weeks when the borders 1191 01:01:05,567 --> 01:01:07,900 these 2 weeks when the borders were reopened and this was the 1192 01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:10,234 were reopened and this was the time so you know like that that 1193 01:01:10,234 --> 01:01:11,966 time so you know like that that temporary. but then you know as 1194 01:01:11,966 --> 01:01:14,234 temporary. but then you know as a project could be expanded as 1195 01:01:14,234 --> 01:01:16,333 a project could be expanded as a project uh and that’s also 1196 01:01:16,333 --> 01:01:18,267 a project uh and that’s also why many times they say 1197 01:01:18,267 --> 01:01:19,767 why many times they say reopening is not just about 1198 01:01:19,767 --> 01:01:23,000 reopening is not just about reopening uh after the it’s 1199 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,333 reopening uh after the it’s reopening, it’s this whole 1200 01:01:24,333 --> 01:01:27,033 reopening, it’s this whole concept about reopening Europe 1201 01:01:27,033 --> 01:01:28,500 concept about reopening Europe and reopening you know uh 1202 01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:30,267 and reopening you know uh getting back to the moon The 1203 01:01:30,267 --> 01:01:33,467 getting back to the moon The sun so it could be the could be 1204 01:01:33,467 --> 01:01:35,367 sun so it could be the could be sequences. Okay. Well we will 1205 01:01:35,367 --> 01:01:37,667 sequences. Okay. Well we will we will we will watch out for 1206 01:01:37,667 --> 01:01:39,533 we will we will watch out for that. I need to turn to just a 1207 01:01:39,533 --> 01:01:41,167 that. I need to turn to just a final couple of questions from 1208 01:01:41,167 --> 01:01:42,234 final couple of questions from our audience before we have to 1209 01:01:42,234 --> 01:01:44,801 our audience before we have to close it if I could ask one to 1210 01:01:44,801 --> 01:01:47,867 close it if I could ask one to to you, uh Jessica from Anna 1211 01:01:47,867 --> 01:01:50,066 to you, uh Jessica from Anna and she would she would like to 1212 01:01:50,066 --> 01:01:51,400 and she would she would like to know what was the story that 1213 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,533 know what was the story that sort of struck you most in the 1214 01:01:53,533 --> 01:01:54,933 sort of struck you most in the film? I know you talked about 1215 01:01:54,933 --> 01:01:56,400 film? I know you talked about your how how how much you 1216 01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,367 your how how how much you struck by people at the board 1217 01:01:59,367 --> 01:02:01,600 struck by people at the board of Regents, but in summary, 1218 01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:02,400 of Regents, but in summary, what what was the thing that 1219 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:03,867 what what was the thing that you’re going to take away the 1220 01:02:03,867 --> 01:02:08,066 you’re going to take away the most from this film? 1221 01:02:09,266 --> 01:02:11,934 How hungry I am uh how I need 1222 01:02:11,934 --> 01:02:13,400 How hungry I am uh how I need and want to know more and I 1223 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,367 and want to know more and I want to go to uh hang out in 1224 01:02:16,367 --> 01:02:17,967 want to go to uh hang out in Pascal and find out what 1225 01:02:17,967 --> 01:02:21,266 Pascal and find out what happens on this parking lot 1226 01:02:21,266 --> 01:02:22,767 happens on this parking lot when what goes to accumulating 1227 01:02:22,767 --> 01:02:25,434 when what goes to accumulating there. What broken dreams um 1228 01:02:25,434 --> 01:02:26,867 there. What broken dreams um that’s stays with me. 1229 01:02:26,867 --> 01:02:29,433 that’s stays with me. Definitely. it’s a seed and uh 1230 01:02:29,433 --> 01:02:30,000 Definitely. it’s a seed and uh and then and that’s you know 1231 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,833 and then and that’s you know that’s one of the intentions, 1232 01:02:31,833 --> 01:02:32,534 that’s one of the intentions, usually behind documentaries 1233 01:02:32,534 --> 01:02:35,034 usually behind documentaries that it plants seeds in your in 1234 01:02:35,034 --> 01:02:35,967 that it plants seeds in your in your soul in your heart that 1235 01:02:35,967 --> 01:02:36,967 your soul in your heart that you want to know more that 1236 01:02:36,967 --> 01:02:38,466 you want to know more that you’re hungry and we should be 1237 01:02:38,466 --> 01:02:40,900 you’re hungry and we should be hungry. It’s dangerous if we’re 1238 01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:41,900 hungry. It’s dangerous if we’re not hungry and thirsty for 1239 01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:44,767 not hungry and thirsty for knowledge and and stories. 1240 01:02:44,767 --> 01:02:46,700 knowledge and and stories. Yeah, this is dangerous. Let’s 1241 01:02:46,700 --> 01:02:49,233 Yeah, this is dangerous. Let’s say it’s a wonderful point but 1242 01:02:49,233 --> 01:02:51,934 say it’s a wonderful point but let me give you the last word I 1243 01:02:51,934 --> 01:02:53,467 let me give you the last word I would like to ask you another 1244 01:02:53,467 --> 01:02:54,867 would like to ask you another question from anonymous. he 1245 01:02:54,867 --> 01:02:56,467 question from anonymous. he asked. Do you think we should 1246 01:02:56,467 --> 01:02:57,600 asked. Do you think we should be opening reopening Europe 1247 01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,000 be opening reopening Europe right now at any cost or he or 1248 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,699 right now at any cost or he or she asks um and if I could tag 1249 01:03:02,699 --> 01:03:06,367 she asks um and if I could tag on a question to that you 1250 01:03:06,367 --> 01:03:07,333 on a question to that you mentioned in the film you talk 1251 01:03:07,333 --> 01:03:08,499 mentioned in the film you talk about how maybe you are 1252 01:03:08,499 --> 01:03:10,233 about how maybe you are impressions now will not be the 1253 01:03:10,233 --> 01:03:11,366 impressions now will not be the same person. We’re having in a 1254 01:03:11,366 --> 01:03:12,667 same person. We’re having in a few months. How do how do you 1255 01:03:12,667 --> 01:03:13,467 few months. How do how do you look back on the film that 1256 01:03:13,467 --> 01:03:15,067 look back on the film that you’ve made now so first of all 1257 01:03:15,067 --> 01:03:17,300 you’ve made now so first of all if you could take that. You in 1258 01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:18,734 if you could take that. You in about you know, should we be 1259 01:03:18,734 --> 01:03:19,966 about you know, should we be reopening at any cost and how 1260 01:03:19,966 --> 01:03:21,867 reopening at any cost and how have you impressions change 1261 01:03:21,867 --> 01:03:24,199 have you impressions change since making the film well, the 1262 01:03:24,199 --> 01:03:26,833 since making the film well, the first question I think it’s uh 1263 01:03:26,833 --> 01:03:28,434 first question I think it’s uh it’s a little bit misplaced in 1264 01:03:28,434 --> 01:03:30,900 it’s a little bit misplaced in the sense that uh there is no 1265 01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:33,267 the sense that uh there is no such a thing reopening at any 1266 01:03:33,267 --> 01:03:35,767 such a thing reopening at any cost. There is a pair ups. uh 1267 01:03:35,767 --> 01:03:39,767 cost. There is a pair ups. uh let’s coordinate our responses. 1268 01:03:39,767 --> 01:03:41,767 let’s coordinate our responses. Uh I would say let’s let’s make 1269 01:03:41,767 --> 01:03:43,933 Uh I would say let’s let’s make the efforts that we can make in 1270 01:03:43,933 --> 01:03:46,700 the efforts that we can make in order to avoid that people get 1271 01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:49,467 order to avoid that people get uh surprised by all that 1272 01:03:49,467 --> 01:03:50,200 uh surprised by all that surprised by the coordination. 1273 01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,900 surprised by the coordination. you know like this, this was. 1274 01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:55,967 you know like this, this was. Uh negative feeling that we get 1275 01:03:55,967 --> 01:03:58,699 Uh negative feeling that we get we got in in the uh in the trip 1276 01:03:58,699 --> 01:04:01,534 we got in in the uh in the trip that was not so much the fact 1277 01:04:01,534 --> 01:04:02,967 that was not so much the fact that the border was closed, but 1278 01:04:02,967 --> 01:04:04,267 that the border was closed, but the fact that uh it was 1279 01:04:04,267 --> 01:04:05,767 the fact that uh it was sometimes that unilateral thing 1280 01:04:05,767 --> 01:04:07,933 sometimes that unilateral thing that wasn’t agreed uh where 1281 01:04:07,933 --> 01:04:09,167 that wasn’t agreed uh where people were not involved and 1282 01:04:09,167 --> 01:04:11,000 people were not involved and that’s where they say what is 1283 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,734 that’s where they say what is the European project about you 1284 01:04:12,734 --> 01:04:14,667 the European project about you know? Uh II think this is the 1285 01:04:14,667 --> 01:04:17,300 know? Uh II think this is the most important part, also when 1286 01:04:17,300 --> 01:04:18,000 most important part, also when it comes to the policy level 1287 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,800 it comes to the policy level more than reopening or not 1288 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,567 more than reopening or not reopening, It’s like how do we 1289 01:04:21,567 --> 01:04:24,801 reopening, It’s like how do we call? Eight and we ensure that 1290 01:04:24,801 --> 01:04:29,033 call? Eight and we ensure that there is uh uh uh a response to 1291 01:04:29,033 --> 01:04:30,533 there is uh uh uh a response to to what is going on. you know 1292 01:04:30,533 --> 01:04:32,967 to what is going on. you know and not not confuse people 1293 01:04:32,967 --> 01:04:34,233 and not not confuse people because what was confusing me, 1294 01:04:34,233 --> 01:04:35,433 because what was confusing me, for example, coming from 1295 01:04:35,433 --> 01:04:36,633 for example, coming from Belgium and then going all of a 1296 01:04:36,633 --> 01:04:37,734 Belgium and then going all of a sudden in the Netherlands and 1297 01:04:37,734 --> 01:04:39,633 sudden in the Netherlands and Belgium masks for compulsory 1298 01:04:39,633 --> 01:04:42,201 Belgium masks for compulsory still and and and and we were 1299 01:04:42,201 --> 01:04:44,000 still and and and and we were just basically a little bit out 1300 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,466 just basically a little bit out of the lock down but not yet 1301 01:04:46,466 --> 01:04:47,833 of the lock down but not yet completely and they went to the 1302 01:04:47,833 --> 01:04:50,533 completely and they went to the Netherlands. Uh I mean and uh 1303 01:04:50,533 --> 01:04:53,133 Netherlands. Uh I mean and uh everything look normal. People 1304 01:04:53,133 --> 01:04:54,267 everything look normal. People on the street, I mean there is 1305 01:04:54,267 --> 01:04:55,767 on the street, I mean there is this this this this part where 1306 01:04:55,767 --> 01:04:57,534 this this this this part where I was shocked and so on so 1307 01:04:57,534 --> 01:04:59,766 I was shocked and so on so that’s the thing that I would 1308 01:04:59,766 --> 01:05:01,400 that’s the thing that I would say it’s the most shocking part 1309 01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,367 say it’s the most shocking part and then the second point uh 1310 01:05:03,367 --> 01:05:05,299 and then the second point uh that you that you ask, can you 1311 01:05:05,299 --> 01:05:07,234 that you that you ask, can you remind me again? I wanna know 1312 01:05:07,234 --> 01:05:07,699 remind me again? I wanna know whether you have your 1313 01:05:07,699 --> 01:05:09,266 whether you have your reflections or if your 1314 01:05:09,266 --> 01:05:10,267 reflections or if your reflections have changed since 1315 01:05:10,267 --> 01:05:11,699 reflections have changed since you made that film, Yeah, right 1316 01:05:11,699 --> 01:05:15,567 you made that film, Yeah, right right um well the thing uh how 1317 01:05:15,567 --> 01:05:18,200 right um well the thing uh how the reflections are changed. Uh 1318 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:19,866 the reflections are changed. Uh they’re not in the sense that 1319 01:05:19,866 --> 01:05:24,500 they’re not in the sense that uh even 2 months down the 1320 01:05:34,133 --> 01:05:34,733 Might have got better, but it 1321 01:05:34,733 --> 01:05:35,967 Might have got better, but it was very precarious kind of 1322 01:05:35,967 --> 01:05:38,167 was very precarious kind of hope and that’s the same thing 1323 01:05:38,167 --> 01:05:39,767 hope and that’s the same thing now we don’t know what is going 1324 01:05:39,767 --> 01:05:42,333 now we don’t know what is going to happen in the next 2 months, 1325 01:05:42,333 --> 01:05:44,000 to happen in the next 2 months, how the winter will be so I 1326 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,434 how the winter will be so I think that we are still in this 1327 01:05:45,434 --> 01:05:46,900 think that we are still in this kind of lingo and from this 1328 01:05:46,900 --> 01:05:49,267 kind of lingo and from this point of view uh even if it’s 1329 01:05:49,267 --> 01:05:50,767 point of view uh even if it’s you know the the the the trip 1330 01:05:50,767 --> 01:05:53,266 you know the the the the trip and documentary uh takes a 1331 01:05:53,266 --> 01:05:54,933 and documentary uh takes a snapshot of that specific 1332 01:05:54,933 --> 01:05:55,900 snapshot of that specific moment of the reopening of the 1333 01:05:55,900 --> 01:05:58,467 moment of the reopening of the borders. I think that the sense 1334 01:05:58,467 --> 01:05:59,933 borders. I think that the sense of uncertainty and 1335 01:05:59,933 --> 01:06:00,233 of uncertainty and contradictions that we’re 1336 01:06:00,233 --> 01:06:01,467 contradictions that we’re living in, it’s still very 1337 01:06:01,467 --> 01:06:05,766 living in, it’s still very much. Still, very much uh 1338 01:06:05,766 --> 01:06:07,734 much. Still, very much uh actual okay. Well, I’m afraid 1339 01:06:07,734 --> 01:06:10,201 actual okay. Well, I’m afraid that’s all we have time for 1340 01:06:10,201 --> 01:06:11,933 that’s all we have time for today. Uh I hope you’ve enjoyed 1341 01:06:11,933 --> 01:06:12,866 today. Uh I hope you’ve enjoyed this as much as I have for the 1342 01:06:12,866 --> 01:06:14,000 this as much as I have for the tour of Europe that we have 1343 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,733 tour of Europe that we have just had and there is there’s 1344 01:06:15,733 --> 01:06:16,833 just had and there is there’s so many more sort of policy 1345 01:06:16,833 --> 01:06:19,299 so many more sort of policy themes of big ideas to to 1346 01:06:19,299 --> 01:06:20,900 themes of big ideas to to discuss and you can find out 1347 01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:22,500 discuss and you can find out much more as I said on the on 1348 01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:24,634 much more as I said on the on the website reopening 1349 01:06:24,634 --> 01:06:26,099 the website reopening europe.com. So do check it out 1350 01:06:26,099 --> 01:06:27,767 europe.com. So do check it out for podcast for news about our 1351 01:06:27,767 --> 01:06:29,700 for podcast for news about our upcoming projects, Maybe even a 1352 01:06:29,700 --> 01:06:30,867 upcoming projects, Maybe even a sequel is in there as well so 1353 01:06:30,867 --> 01:06:33,634 sequel is in there as well so down the line if. Say more than 1354 01:06:33,634 --> 01:06:35,934 down the line if. Say more than a sequel with David and we are 1355 01:06:35,934 --> 01:06:37,200 a sequel with David and we are obviously we have so much 1356 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:38,733 obviously we have so much material that they will be 1357 01:06:38,733 --> 01:06:40,267 material that they will be space for having a longer cut 1358 01:06:40,267 --> 01:06:42,867 space for having a longer cut and uh you know uh uh uh a 1359 01:06:42,867 --> 01:06:45,199 and uh you know uh uh uh a various stake and and more deep 1360 01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:46,734 various stake and and more deep into some of the stories that 1361 01:06:46,734 --> 01:06:48,467 into some of the stories that we heard and on so that could 1362 01:06:48,467 --> 01:06:50,967 we heard and on so that could be one of the first uh project, 1363 01:06:50,967 --> 01:06:53,200 be one of the first uh project, let’s say, set aside the fact 1364 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:54,833 let’s say, set aside the fact that we would love whenever it 1365 01:06:54,833 --> 01:06:56,433 that we would love whenever it is going to be possible to have 1366 01:06:56,433 --> 01:06:59,733 is going to be possible to have in a physical form. You know a 1367 01:06:59,733 --> 01:07:01,400 in a physical form. You know a screening because we it’s a 1368 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:02,933 screening because we it’s a different thing but that, of 1369 01:07:02,933 --> 01:07:04,200 different thing but that, of course depends on the 1370 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:05,700 course depends on the pandemics. Yeah. Well there you 1371 01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:06,233 pandemics. Yeah. Well there you have it. We have the director’s 1372 01:07:06,233 --> 01:07:09,367 have it. We have the director’s cuts hopefully and Um and 1373 01:07:09,367 --> 01:07:11,800 cuts hopefully and Um and fingers crossed for a screening 1374 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,467 fingers crossed for a screening uh rather than uh virtual 1375 01:07:13,467 --> 01:07:15,000 uh rather than uh virtual events, but thank you very much 1376 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,434 events, but thank you very much to thank you all so very much 1377 01:07:17,434 --> 01:07:20,201 to thank you all so very much to Jessica I really enjoyed 1378 01:07:20,201 --> 01:07:21,800 to Jessica I really enjoyed hearing your comments. I really 1379 01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,267 hearing your comments. I really enjoy the discussion and thank 1380 01:07:23,267 --> 01:07:25,400 enjoy the discussion and thank you to you for joining us and 1381 01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:30,500 you to you for joining us and see you again. Thank you.